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We have @EUCommission [rightfully!] crack down on #cars and their #emissions by demanding ever lower #FleetEmissions and #FuelConsumption numbers but still accept #Bloatware like shitty #WebApps and #Windows11 to demand so much #WastefulComputing that it's painful.

  • Margaret Hammond and Grace Hopper must be rotating in their graves, pointing out how they got people on the moon with less storage than the SPD-ROM on a RAM stick and how their programming language still runs #TradFinance like a clockwork respectably, but somehow sending text messages is too much for a machine that costs €499 yet has more computational power than all the machines they worked on combined.

#WastefulComputing like all those phat & enshittified messengers should be illegal.

  • Espechally since they have 0 reason to be that resource intensive, even if we believe some of their security-focussed marketing lies.
Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)For those who don't know the [size of the problem]( https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862595629371002): In 2006 I bought a new [entry level] Computer with 256 MB of RAM and a single-core P4 Celeron with 2,8 GHz. - This thing ran #WindowsXP and #NeedForSpeedMostWanted just fine. - Nowadays it would crash trying to open #Slack even on a minimalist #Linux distro like @bunsenlabs@linuxrocks.online in @dillo@fosstodon.org, a lightweight browser ... And now imagine that some folks have to use #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, #Telegram, #Signal, #WhatApp, #WeChat, #QQ and #LineMessenger *at the same time on their machine*, and you can imagine that this will make entry-level desktops already scream harder than if someone were to loop the *Lost Coast benchmark* on them... - The #bloat of modern #WebApps is just the *socially accepted equivalent* to #Cryptojacking desktops and driving some [*phat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee) #SuperUselessVehicle just to get less than a kg of groceries at a walking distance supermarket. Everywhere else we'd not accept such a #bloatware IRL. - So why should we accept #obscene|ly #WastefulComputing*?
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For those who don't know the size of the problem:

In 2006 I bought a new [entry level] Computer with 256 MB of RAM and a single-core P4 Celeron with 2,8 GHz.

And now imagine that some folks have to use #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, #Telegram, #Signal, #WhatApp, #WeChat, #QQ and #LineMessenger at the same time on their machine, and you can imagine that this will make entry-level desktops already scream harder than if someone were to loop the Lost Coast benchmark on them...

Everywhere else we'd not accept such a #bloatware IRL.

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps. My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal [¹](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114234551915193036), #Telegram, #Discord [²](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114865723904157014), #WhatsApp [³](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114873895410403238), #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside: - *WHY* is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite? - *WHY* does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU they can?? This problem ain't new and *already got [solved for corporate social media](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862619013462466) ages ago!* (Not to mention actually good messengers!) - And no, [bridges](https://toots.ch/@dalai/114862754556459439) *[don't](https://swecyb.com/@troed/114862774972645542) count*! - I mean `API 0` - [style](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685423773959519) access because obviously [none of the platforms](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685414638522984) will *allow, endorse or support such an endeavour* and [*actively fight the developers and users*](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685441496803574) ! So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim@fosstodon.org / #Gajim or @pidgin@fosstodon.org / #Pidgin *for garbage platforms!* - Cuz back in the day we had *way worse messengers* yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single *"phat" client*! - Can we please get that back? #api0 #Enshittification
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@foone I do say "fuck you!" way too less...

And yes, I'm pissed off about shitty #WebApps to the point that my anger becomes "weapons-grade"!

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps. My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal [¹](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114234551915193036), #Telegram, #Discord [²](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114865723904157014), #WhatsApp [³](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114873895410403238), #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside: - *WHY* is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite? - *WHY* does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU they can?? This problem ain't new and *already got [solved for corporate social media](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862619013462466) ages ago!* (Not to mention actually good messengers!) - And no, [bridges](https://toots.ch/@dalai/114862754556459439) *[don't](https://swecyb.com/@troed/114862774972645542) count*! - I mean `API 0` - [style](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685423773959519) access because obviously [none of the platforms](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685414638522984) will *allow, endorse or support such an endeavour* and [*actively fight the developers and users*](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685441496803574) ! So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim@fosstodon.org / #Gajim or @pidgin@fosstodon.org / #Pidgin *for garbage platforms!* - Cuz back in the day we had *way worse messengers* yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single *"phat" client*! - Can we please get that back? #api0 #Enshittification

"TL;DR: Apple’s rules and technical restrictions are blocking other browser vendors from successfully offering their own engines to users in the EU. At the recent Digital Markets Act (DMA) workshop, Apple claimed it didn’t know why no browser vendor has ported their engine to iOS over the past 15 months. But the reality is Apple knows exactly what the barriers are, and has chosen not to remove them.

Safari is the highest margin product Apple has ever made, accounts for 14-16% of Apple’s annual operating profit and brings in $20 billion per year in search engine revenue from Google. For each 1% browser market share that Apple loses for Safari, Apple is set to lose $200 million in revenue per year.

Ensuring other browsers are not able to compete fairly is critical to Apple’s best and easiest revenue stream, and allows Apple to retain full control over the maximum capabilities of web apps, limiting their performance and utility to prevent them from meaningfully competing with native apps distributed through their app store. Consumers and developers (native or web) then suffer due to a lack of competition.

This browser engine ban is unique to Apple and no other gatekeeper imposes such a restriction. Until Apple lifts these barriers they are not in effective compliance with the DMA."

open-web-advocacy.org/blog/app

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Open Web AdvocacyApple’s Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA - Open Web Advocacy
#EU#Apple#iOS
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4. (Progressive) #Webapps.

While iOS has blocked this feature for years, locking developers to their pricey and walled #AppStore, on Android every Website in your browser can be used like a native app.

#Meta ironically blocks this aggressively, locking Video Playback and more to their App™. Other apps like #GoogleMaps, #TikTok or #Shitter annoy you with popups, but offer often reduced versions like this.

Webapps are WAY more isolated, cannot execute random code and more.

#PWAs

7/8

File encryption with a browser.

I've been exploring the #WebCryptoAPI and I'm impressed!

When combined with the #FileSystemAPI, it offers a seemingly secure way to #encrypt and #store files directly on your device. Think #localstorage, but with #encryption!

I know #webapps can have #security vulnerabilities since the code is served over the web, so I've #OpenSourced my demo! You can check it out, and it should even work if #selfhosted on #GitHubPages.

Live Demo: dim.positive-intentions.com/?p

Demo Code: github.com/positive-intentions

Hook Code: github.com/positive-intentions

IMPORTANT NOTES (PLEASE READ!):
* This is NOT a product. It's for #testing and #demonstration purposes only.
* It has NOT been reviewed or audited. Do NOT use for sensitive data.
* The "password encryption" currently uses a hardcoded password. This is for demonstration, not security.
* This is NOT meant to replace robust solutions like #VeraCrypt. It's just a #proofofconcept to show what's possible with #browser #APIs.

dim.positive-intentions.com@storybook/core - Storybook

I'm really impressed by the #Brave implementation of #WebApps. It just works, seamlessly, on macOS! (And kudos to #WhatsApp for their great implementation too!) I've been forced by Apple to use Brave on my really old MacBook Air (Safari no longer works on the last supported macOS.) It's tremendous!

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@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen @fuchsiii obviously, that would've been a good standard for everyone, given that almost all non-#Gaming #Apps these days are #WebApps and at that point we'd not have 100+ MB #bloatware that essentially just loads a #Website and can't even cache shit!

Personally I believe the @europarl_en & @EUCommission could do that and establish as well as enforce an #EC #norm, just as they did with #USBc, #CCS2 and #GDPR!

#Android needs to be better as in being more than just the "lesser evil" compared to iOS!

Modern #TechStack|s are convenient but they also make #developers lazy and result in the #enfattening of #Software and #Games.

Nowadays we have shitty #WebApps that eat up 100+MB just for a #WebView and which are instantly useless once they don't have a high-speed, low latency internet connection!

  • People like #GraceHopper and #MargaretHamilton propably wouldn't even be mad, but just disappointed, knowing how a modern #IDE eats more computing power than the entire human race had at their career peaks...

And don't even get me started on all the #WastefulComputing aka. "#AI" #bs and #Shitcoin - #Scams!

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@sekka@shark.community But one of the best tracks - abeit #Blues, not #Chill or #Jazz - is Blue Mary Blues Real Bout - Fatal Fury Special (Neo Geo CD Version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XTuBZiC4w https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=-3XTuBZiC4w Hard to believe they were able to get this done with a 135 kbit/s CD-ROM drive and 2 MB of cache! #music #mukke #mood #KingOfFighters #OST #GameMusic #Soundtrack #NeoGeo #NeoGeoCD

This week's top clicked link in the Hiro Report is Life in Weeks! 🏆

This clever web app visualizes one's entire life as divided into weeks. There are customizations you can do to depict where you were during periods of your life, mark important dates, and so on. Really fun concept.

lifeweeks.app

December’s For A Better Web podcast episode is out now! :tony_happy:

@brucelawson's guest this time is Léonie Watson (@tink) and they have a chat about web accessibility, the WebApps Working Group, W3C, and lots more.

Give it a listen on vivaldi.com/blog/better-web/4-, where you’ll also find the transcript, show notes and other podcast sources.

Vivaldi Browser · #4 Léonie Watson - For a Better Web | Vivaldi BrowserIn this podcast series, Bruce interviews people from across different communities and industries who, in their own way, are fighting for a better web. In this episode, Bruce’s guest is Léonie Watson…
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@mook OFC I do differenciate between "#WebApps" and #Websites to the point that #AnimateJS et. al. are the de-facto successor to #Flash as #Adobe literally supported it for that reason.

  • Then again, I think these techniques should be delegated to their specific use-cases (noone expects browser game slites like #Miniclip to be #accessible!) instead.

For a lot of of cases, #JavaScript is mostly unnecessary fluff.

  • Espechally when said #JS is not doing stuff that adds value but instead just adds #bloat.

I find it espechally insulting when stuff like #Mastodon prevents people from even looking up a profile or post at all cuz that's static content at the time of loading it and there's no legitimate reason to just offer a "lite" UI that just displays an otherwise hidden by #CSS & #JS banner that says sth. like: "this is just a lite preview. Certain functionality will not work, like commenting, boosting or liking. Please use a 3rd party client or activate JavaScript and reload the page if you want to use that."

  • But I guess that's something Developers at Mastodon are unwilling to accept cuz they have a nonchalant attitude of thinking they are perfect #TechBros!