@ytc1 @DenOfEarth @aka_pugs I know.

And espechally in #ScientificComputing a lot of researchers loved working with #SunMicrosystems and when #Oracle took over that relationship got sour'd instantly due to #Oracle #CEO #LarryEllison...

-> https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114682503920794745

One of the big successes of #Sun was that they basically declared a unilateral "ceasefire" in terms of #IP & #Patents re: #OpenSource. Whereas Oracle didn't seem willing to honour that.

• Without that cooperative atmosphere we saw #OpenOffice devs literally forking off into @libreoffice and projects like #illumos and @openzfs scramble to save what was OpenSource'd and also rescue that.

Obviously #Linux with it's #GPLv2only-Kernel and most of it's Userland could not get 'closed-sourced' like #OpenSolaris which instantly got stomped out by Oracle as they wanted to sqeeze #Solaris for profits and milk their clients in typical Oracle fashion...

• Which is sad because #competition breeds #innovation and a lot of stuff like #Zones in Solaris really were at their time really forcing #KVM, #bhyve and #BSDjails to up their game for good.

Now granted, I do know someone who for most of their life made their money dealing with the intricacies of setting up #postfix, #sendmail and #courier #MailServers on Solaris and if I ask said person about that they give me a kilometer stare, so OFC like a #SysV - #Unix systems Solaris and #SunOS really are one of the reasons #WindowsNT won the "#WorkstationWar" and why - if anyone - #Apple won the last "#UnixWar"...

• Still I do am sad that I declined that #sysadmin position at a leading research center I'm not at liberty to name and I do know there's OFC still some critical infrastructure running even older Solaris servers...

https://mastodon.sdf.org/@ytc1/114689337148586939

@DenOfEarth @aka_pugs I know.

Cade in point, #OpenSolaris did have avid users just below that range, and a lot of #ScientificComputing used it, as they previously used #IRIX.

And #Sun being #OpenSourve-friendly was the right direction...

@aka_pugs I loved #OpenSolaris, and I'm still mad at #FTC & @EUCommission for allowing #Oracle to buy #Sun!

• Cuz Oraclr killed all the #FLOSS they could and pissed off all the clients they had!

@BenBen @fabiscafe @okapi @chesheer I don't deny this to be a problem, far from it.

• In an ideal world, stuff would be portable enough that the underlying init (and Userland in general) as well as Kernel didn't matter and merely be a different config file.

In reality, a substantial part of #Gnome devs (or at least contributors) are paid by the 3 major #Linux distros (#RHEL, #SLED, #Ubuntu) and whilst not being antragonistic towards #BSD|s don't get employed to enshure it runs on #FreeBSD, but that it runs better on the distro their employer is selling…

• And given that these projects don't have infinite resources and espechally maintainers I don't blame them to redelegate a lot of work to #SystemD instead of reimplementing something themselves.

OFC it's saddening in regards to non-Linux #Unix-esque OSes, but given self-amplifying network effects both the murder of #OpenSolaris at the hands of #Oracle (with @EUCommission and #FTC as enablers!) and @iXsystems ditching #FreeBSD in #trueNAS alongside regressing #driver support for hardware outside of Linux, #macOS and #Windows, it's not a good time for these projects.

• Which is bad because BSDs and other OSes force Linux to innovate and ' get gud '!

@bastetfurry @fuchsiii @puppygirlhornypost2 it's basically salvaged #OpenSolaris...

@mjdxp @efi @puppygirlhornypost2 I agree...

Sadly legal said no and I'd rather throw money at these companies than #Microsoft or god forbid #Oracle which fucked me and my clients over trice (RIP #OpenSolaris, #OpenOffice, #VirtualBox & #Java count as half-points each!) in the past!

Also Larry Ellison is a cyberfacist POS and the biggest wanker on Lanai...

@carlwgeorge @vermaden @samurro @tara

Well, the #CentoOS repos (not CentOS stream!) GOT PAYWALLED git.centos.org and whilst I'd not trust #Oracle either since #OpenSolaris and #LibreOffice, the fact is that #RedHat canceled #CentOS8 or rather axed it prematurely...

But yeah, both @vkc 1 & @BrodieOnLinux looked at this.

@vermaden @carlwgeorge @samurro @tara

Yeah, #Oracle isn't good as a company but at least they didn't #paywall the right to install and use their OS...

Considering their actions re: #OpenSolaris I'd not count on them despite their flippant response towards #RedHat when they #paywalled the #CentOS repos.

Oracle did reply to said action stating: 'We'd gladly be the free #Upstream instead of #RHEL!' ...

@Migueldeicaza this is worse that what Oracle did to #OpenSolaris, right?