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@mroach @ColinHaynes

In the meantime, Microsoft tried to ruin everyone's fun by making Windows NT 10.0 be the same version number as used by the marketing people.

But it's alright. It has slipped again. Windows NT version 10.0.26100 is is not called that by the marketing people.

One is not immune in the non-Microsoft world, though. Place these in the correct order:

Buster
Etch
Forky
Jessie
Potato
Sarge
Sid
Wheezy
Trixie

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@DenOfEarth @ytc1 @aka_pugs well #WindowsNT owned the workstation market because #Vendors like #SGI & #Sun failed to innovate...

  • Abeit sgi hals self-inflicted that by removing the reasons to buy their stuff when they switched to #Itanium #CPU|s and #nvidia #GPU|s and not developing #IRIX any further!

#SunMicrosystems at least didn't stall in terms of #Software, but once #Oracle acqured them and started shaking down Sun Technology users for "#IP infringement" and "License Violations" they basically made using anythibg but #Linux a bad choice on #Servers!

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@ytc1 @DenOfEarth @aka_pugs I know.

And espechally in #ScientificComputing a lot of researchers loved working with #SunMicrosystems and when #Oracle took over that relationship got sour'd instantly due to #Oracle #CEO #LarryEllison...

-> infosec.space/@kkarhan/1146825

One of the big successes of #Sun was that they basically declared a unilateral "ceasefire" in terms of #IP & #Patents re: #OpenSource. Whereas Oracle didn't seem willing to honour that.

  • Without that cooperative atmosphere we saw #OpenOffice devs literally forking off into @libreoffice and projects like #illumos and @openzfs scramble to save what was OpenSource'd and also rescue that.

Obviously #Linux with it's #GPLv2only-Kernel and most of it's Userland could not get 'closed-sourced' like #OpenSolaris which instantly got stomped out by Oracle as they wanted to sqeeze #Solaris for profits and milk their clients in typical Oracle fashion...

Now granted, I do know someone who for most of their life made their money dealing with the intricacies of setting up #postfix, #sendmail and #courier #MailServers on Solaris and if I ask said person about that they give me a kilometer stare, so OFC like a #SysV - #Unix systems Solaris and #SunOS really are one of the reasons #WindowsNT won the "#WorkstationWar" and why - if anyone - #Apple won the last "#UnixWar"...

  • Still I do am sad that I declined that #sysadmin position at a leading research center I'm not at liberty to name and I do know there's OFC still some critical infrastructure running even older Solaris servers...

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Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@DenOfEarth@mas.to @aka_pugs@mastodon.social I know. Cade in point, #OpenSolaris did have avid users just below that range, and a lot of #ScientificComputing used it, as they previously used #IRIX. And #Sun being #OpenSourve-friendly was the right direction...

I kinda just tend to assume that everyone has a copy of VirtualBox, #pcem, and a multi-TB stash of ISOs from winworldpc.com on their NAS... but I'm occasionally reminded that this is not the case. If this is not you, but you need access to real #WindowsNT or #Windows95 or #Windows31 for an experiment or two, consider this a reminder that copy.sh/v86/ exists. #RetroComputing #VintageComputing

copy.shv86Run KolibriOS, Linux or Windows 98 in your browser
Weird question about Microsoft Excel

So I have been wanting to learn more about how to use Microsoft Excel so I can teach other people about some of the more advanced programming techniques (EDIT: 1-on-1 lessons on their own computer with their own licensed copies of Excel). I want to teach myself more about Excel so I was going to install it on my own computer and do some advanced tutorials. But then I really do not want to burn up all of that disk space just to run Wine and Excel.

So I got to thinking:

  1. is there an older version of Microsoft Excel I could use instead?
  2. The “ribbon” UI/UX asside, how far back in time (in Excel software versions) would I have to go before the formula language and cell computation engine became too different from the most recent Excel that it would not be very useful for me as a learning/teaching tool?
  3. Would it take less disk space to run this in a minimal Windows NT 2000 or Windows XP instance on QEMU than it would take on Wine?
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@andrewhoyer I actually ran #WindowsNT 4.0 Workstation as my primary desktop OS for quite a while. Am almost certain I still have the installation CD, license key and booklet somewhere... and still remember the difficulties I had getting it to find the dial-up modem ("it's right here, it's turned on, the lights look right, the cable's firmly plugged in, WHY is the OS saying no modem found?") before I somehow found that I needed to first set up the serial port it was connected to. #RetroComputing