@Andromxda @mollyim no it's not bs and fanboying @signalapp isn't going to change that.
If #Signal was secure it would be the #1 comms tool of organized crime...
Real professionals use #SelfHosting capable, fully #FLOSS'd solutions like #PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO.
It's just me reading the room: Cuz #ComSec isn't done woth "JuSt UsE sIgNaL!" and everyone who claims so without pointing out #OpSec, #InfoSec & #ITsec is BSing hard.
Fortunatelty, @thunderbird and @tails_live / @tails / #Tails and many other tools make that easier than ever before.
@CCC +9001%
Ich erwarte dass #TechLiteracy gefördert wird und sämtliche #Angstkultur, #Entrechtung, #Überwachungsstaat und #Polizeistaat die nach 1949 eingeführt wurden ersatzlos gestrichen werden - MIT ZINSESZINSEN!
@catsalad @Em0nM4stodon +9001%
My Energy is:
"#UnsupervisedChildren will be given free #USB Flashdroves with @tails_live / @tails / #Tails on and taught proper #E2EE with #PGP/MIME, #XMPP+#OMEMO, #SelfCustody as well as the concept of #STFUfriday!"
@cryptoparty / #CryptoParty NOW!
@lauren I disagree as @signalapp requires a #PhoneNumber = #PII & cost barrier and they restrict access based off #PhoneNumbers.
Whereas it's so easy and fast to get #TechIlliterates setup with #XMPP+#OMEMO (which uninke #Signal doesn't demand PII!) that I'd challenge you to a #speedrun with step-by-step documentation for every #TechIlliterate to follow along to setup Signal from scratch vs. me doing #XMPP+#OMEMO on @monocles @gajim.
Also #Signal being #centralized makes it as vulnerable as any other #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution!
I'd not count on the #Trump-Regime not flexing #CloudAct against anyone they deem undesireable!
@COSAntiFascists @iris @Em0nM4stodon I'd not trust @protonprivacy in that regard because they have access to keys and have been caught snitching on #ProtonMail users without a warrant.
Furthermore, #monocles - and every other decent provider - won't bamboozle you with false promises they legally can't fulfill and #DigitalSnakeoil services...
Please amp up you #ITsec, #InfoEec, #OpSec and #ComSec because naively believing a corporation to not snitch on you disqualifies you at best if not put other peoples' lives in danger!
"[...] easy to use solutions that are at the same time private and secure. [...]"
It is easier, faster, cheaper and overall simpler to get someone setup with #XMPP + #OMEMO espechally if they don't have a #PhoneNumber and/or #ID to acquire a #SIM.
And if you go and say, "Just buy a [insert country here] [e]SIM!" and expect #TechIlliterates without a #CreditCard, #PayPal or other means of #OnlinePayment to fiddle around with some #eSIM if not having to get some #eSIMcard because they can only afford to maintain one SIM and can't spend triple-digits on a new devices then you completely missed the point!
It's not that I expect anyone to get #TechLiterate within minutes, but similar to setting up a cordless DECT phone it's something one has to do once in 5 years and just have them put the password in a safe spot to retain...
Point is that #Signal #WontFix their setup and that was evidently clear even before @Mer__edith succeeded #MoxieMarlinspike: Their entire operation has a distinct #CryptoAG stench as it's an #unsustainable #VCmoneyBurning party!
A counterexample on how this could've been done are #Tor, #eMail and other truly #OpenSource as in #MultiVendor & #MultiProvider standards.
NOTHING compells Signal to demand PII, run a #Shitcoin #Scam aka. #MobileCoin that even seasoned #TechLiterates and #CryptoBros can't setup properly, and in fact Signal using phone numbers makes it trivial to discriminate against users and easier for them to identify them!
If my reasoning didn't resonate with you, then try helping i.e. undocumented migrants aka. "#SansPapier|s" to get setup with it without violating laws and/or ToS and/or needing an imported SIM which I'm shure most folks don't have on hand!
Whereas it's trivial to get people setup on one of many XMPP servers I've personally tested!
AFAIK Signal doesn't even have an #OnionService / .onion
for their Website, much less any #API enpoints to use it with!
You're free to also provide evidence and supporting data to your arguments, rather then neighsaying against proven to be more secure and reliable [by virtue of decentralization] options like XMPP+OMEMO and/or #PGP/MIME.
The proper fix is to actually assess the situation and acknowledge the risks and limitations as well as the very nature of communications, which means upgrading later is exponentially more painful, thus getting people properly setup once is way easier.
Speaking of #monocles: That business is at least #sustainable because it's funded by users (€2 p.m.) which they can pay anonymously
@rysiek @agturcz that's not how you fix #TechIlliteracy, espechally since things changed for the better.
@monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim / #gajim are quite easy, whereas @signalapp / #Signal demands #PII in the form of a #Phone number which is more often than not not legally obtainable without "#KYC" aka. "forced #SelfDoxxing" all whilst being an extremely #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution that falls under #CloudAct ant thus cannot adhere to #GDPR & #BDSG!
"JuSt UsE sIgNaL !"
won't fix #TechIlliteracy but rather provide false sense of security to #TechIlliterates when the correct solution is to teach proper #TechLiteracy like @cryptoparty@chaos.social / @cryptoparty@mastodon.earth / #CryptoParty does...Otherwise we'd only perpetuate the #Enshittification-#Lifecycle as has happened with #AIM, #ICQ, #BBM and so many more...
If #Signal and @Mer__edith actually cared, they would've setup their system truly decentralized as an #OnionService over @torproject / #Tor!
Angesichts des weltweiten Rechtsrucks sind alternative soziale Netzwerke wie #Mastodon und Selfhosting so wichtig wie nie. Wir stellen euch weitere Netzwerke vor und erklären, was es beim Selfhosting zu beachten gibt. Kostenlos und ohne Anmeldung.
Wann: Kommenden Samstag ab 13 Uhr
Wo: Inspirata (Deutscher Platz 4)
Alle Infos: https://www.privatsphaere-leipzig.org/posts/2025-01-06-dritte-veranstaltung/
@jupiter_rowland OFC this is also due to the fact that the last 50+ years no serious attempt at teaching #TechLiteracy has been done anywhere in a formal matter.
Luckily #Education and #Knowledge isn't monopolized and Initiatives like @cryptoparty / #CryptoParty exist that basically get #TechIlliterates to a level that if they follow up what has been trained don't act as "#UnofficialEmployees" of #NSAbook et. al.
Either way, we'll all have to take part in making the world better, even if that meremy means not contribute to #Enshittification...
OFC that is a constant struggle.
@vkc nodds in agreement the easiest and most effient way to teach people how to get started with @tails is doing a @cryptoparty / #CryptoParty...
@samueljohn @ditol @linuzifer @Mer__edith @signalapp @tails@mastodon.world
Well, how can you claim that doesn't work when you never tried it?
Seriously, check for your local @cryptoparty or just start one.
@linuzifer das sollten wir sowieso und von Anfang an!
Und damit meine ich nicht nur nen bisschan #Camover oder ne #CryptoParty am Wochenende...
Sondern "Get Tactical" mit #Tails-Sticks auf Schulhöfen verteilen und #CyberGuerilla-Meshnets aufbaun sowie alles auf #Tor packen!!
Die Zeit um einfach nur friedlich & freundlich lustige Protestlieder zu singen ist seit langem vorbei...
Wird Zeit dass sich Leute offen gegen #Polizeistaat, #Cyberfaschismus und #Überwachungskapitalismus stellen und diese bekämpfen!!!
Je eher sich die Leute dieser Situation bewusst werden umso besser...
@DJVNiedersachsen @tibhannover @pallenberg Das klingt superspannend!
Idee: Für Cryptopartys hat man Handbücher entwickelt, die man dann als Blueprint für weitere Veranstaltungen nehmen konnte / kann. Plant Ihr das auch? Ein guter Anfang wäre ein shared doc mit Agenda und Inhalten.
Danke ans Team vom #Souterrain an der #UniBremen und an alle, die geengelt und teilgenommen haben, es war gestern eine sehr schöne #CryptoParty. Hoffentlich bald wieder!