Carl O.S. ©<p>Estoy probando el cliente Monocles Chat ahora. Está basado en conversations pero tiene más cositas como gifs y stickers que se muestran en línea en la conversación. Está bonito.</p><p><a href="https://lile.cl/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/MonoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MonoclesChat</span></a></p>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fedifreu.de/@cryptgoat" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptgoat</span></a></span> Es ist aber nachweislich einfacher und schneller, z.B. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> anonym einzurichten, als sich über umwege ne <em>anonyme</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a>-Karte zu beschaffen.</p><ul><li>Gerade weil letztere seit 07/2017 kriminalisiert wurden!</li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Matrix</span></a> ist shice, aber <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> funktionert sehr gut.</p><ul><li><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> ist bestenfalls nen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Honeypot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Honeypot</span></a>, denn die werden Nutzer snitchen wenn die Alternative lautet dass <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> lebenslange <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Beugehaft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Beugehaft</span></a> wegen Verstoß gegen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> bekommt...</li></ul><p>Genauso wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VPN</span></a>|s <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210226175949/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nachweislich shice sind</a> und <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> ungeschlagen ist!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://toots.ch/@dalai" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dalai</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@martinsteiger" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>martinsteiger</span></a></span> +9001%</p><p>Sehe ich genauso...</p><p>Zumal es auch genug Optionen wie <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> gibt die super bequem und einfach einrichtbar sind.</p><ul><li>Die haben grade auch ne <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.monocles.chat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>free Promo</em></a> auf <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GooglePlay" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GooglePlay</span></a> für alle die noch nicht auf <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FDroid</span></a> umgestiegen sind...</li></ul><p>Und €2 p.m. für eMail & Chat sind echt fair weil komplett werbefrei und privat: Mensch braucht keine.persönlichen Daten angeben und kann auch vollkommen anonym bezahlen!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p>For those that want to dip their toes into <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> but don't have <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@fdroidorg" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fdroidorg</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FDroid</span></a> on their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a>:</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> has a free promo till 24.06. on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GooglePlay" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GooglePlay</span></a>!</p><p><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.monocles.chat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">play.google.com/store/apps/det</span><span class="invisible">ails?id=eu.monocles.chat</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Cappyjax" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Cappyjax</span></a></span> IDGAF about <em>"passion"</em>. <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114697690127511140" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">All I care about is the security of users!</a></p><p>Requiring <em>any</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> is inacceptable when it comes to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a>, espechally given <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> is not only able but entirely willing to restrict service based off said numbers, making their "solution" insecure by design.</p><ul><li>There's a reason why <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME [both each over <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a>] is the <em>evidently superior and more secure approach</em>, as being unable to <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a>"</em> a user is a matter of security...</li></ul><p>Espechally since obtaining a phone number anonymously is oftentimes illegal (i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Germany" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Germany</span></a> made it illegal starting 07/2017, so using any service that demands a phone numner is out of question)</p><ul><li>And even <em>if</em> one can get an anonymous <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a> (with a phone number) or god forbid <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eSIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eSIM</span></a>, (which is at best pseudonymous as tracking down users by virtue of matching ICCID, IMEI & IMSI to location and time) the chances are high that one ends up with recycled phone numbers that have already been used.</li></ul><p>Obviously the devs of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> are well aware of this critical flaw, which is why I consider them to act as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>"useful idiots"</em></a> or rather <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_(politics)#Controlled_opposition" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>"controlled opposition"</em></a> as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> could've been shutdown trivially by the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>US</span></a> Government or forced into banning users based off their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> (they may call this <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sanctions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sanctions</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/compliance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>compliance</span></a>"</em> given they added a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> - Wallet into Signal!)...</p><ul><li>All the <em>"but <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Metadata" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Metadata</span></a>"</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FUD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FUD</span></a> turns into <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MarketingLies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MarketingLies</span></a> once put under the looking glass and examined against the risk of state-sponsored / -endordsed / -supported attackers.</li></ul><p>Whereas with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Thunderbird</span></a> respectably I can not only use Tor, but do <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> for the entire <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/communications" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>communications</span></a> infrastructure (i.e. using an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a> = only reachable via Tor) and get the advantages of a self-routing, self-authenticating & battle-hardened against censorship proxy network that can't be shutdown!</p><ul><li>And if you think this is too tinfoilhatted, then consider yourself privilegued enough of having your mere existance not being <a href="https://ilga.org/news/state-sponsored-homophobia-december-2019-decade-update/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">criminalized by the government under threat of public execution!</a></li></ul><p><a href="https://ilga.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/ILGA_World_map_sexual_orientation_laws_December2019.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">ilga.org/wp-content/uploads/20</span><span class="invisible">24/02/ILGA_World_map_sexual_orientation_laws_December2019.pdf</span></a><br><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114697690127511140" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1146976</span><span class="invisible">90127511140</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ip6li" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ip6li</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@chrisstoecker" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>chrisstoecker</span></a></span> gibt auch noch weitere Alternativen:</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (siehe <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a>) sowie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME (siehe <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Thunderbird</span></a>)...</li></ul><p>Merke: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telefonnummern</span></a> sind bestenfalls pseudonym und jeder Dienst der ne <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telefonnummer</span></a> verlangt ist unsicher!</p><ul><li>Auch <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> fällt unter <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> und ist damit unsicher!</li></ul><p>Der beste <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Datenschutz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Datenschutz</span></a> besteht in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Datensparsamkeit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Datensparsamkeit</span></a>!</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NSAbook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NSAbook</span></a> gibt <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>US</span></a>-Behörden seit 10+ Jahren blank-Bollkzugriff auf alles: Inklisive <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/StasiBook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>StasiBook</span></a> & Co. sowie <em>alle privaten Nachrichten</em>!</li></ul><p>Wie sonst könnte das <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CPB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CPB</span></a> sonst Leute wegen jener Nachrichteninhalten die Einreise verwehren??</p>
F-Droid<p>This week in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FDroid</span></a> (TWIF) is live:</p><p>* Bimba test version out too soon<br>* "Co" stands for "community" in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/CoMaps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CoMaps</span></a><br>* A better <a href="https://floss.social/tags/DolphinEmulator" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DolphinEmulator</span></a><br>* Get your <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FediPlan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FediPlan</span></a> companion<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FennecFDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FennecFDroid</span></a> steady improvements<br>* Unified experiences in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Godot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Godot</span></a> Editor <br>* New <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Luanti" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Luanti</span></a> is out <a href="https://floss.social/tags/MineTest" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MineTest</span></a><br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/MonoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MonoclesChat</span></a> read if you use Tor<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/StatusIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>StatusIM</span></a> blogs a lot<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/UnifiedPush" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UnifiedPush</span></a> in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Forkgram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Forkgram</span></a><br>+ 7 new apps<br>+ 179 updates<br>& more</p><p>Plan your next update: <a href="https://f-droid.org/2025/06/12/twif.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">f-droid.org/2025/06/12/twif.ht</span><span class="invisible">ml</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.anoxinon.de/@Lioh" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Lioh</span></a></span> +9001%</p><p>The only secure solution is to exercise <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys!</p><ul><li>Which is why I hint at <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesMail</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> as using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> and clients like theirs or others like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> makes it impossible for them to decrypt any comms.</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://functional.cafe/@arianvp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>arianvp</span></a></span> and this is why you don't use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PushNotifications" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PushNotifications</span></a> and espechally not <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> which <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114234551915193036" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>can, has and will snitch on users!</em></a></p><ul><li>Compare that to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> which even as a provider has 0 <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> and people can use their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Software" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Software</span></a> without being shackled to their servives and even <em>if</em> people do there is no way for them to extract tue private keys in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME *unless one explicitly allows them!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://birdbutt.com/@colinstu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>colinstu</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://retro.pizza/@gregly" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gregly</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://yiff.life/@garrwolfdog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>garrwolfdog</span></a></span> besides <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KISSprinciple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KISSprinciple</span></a>, it's also a matter of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>security</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/efficiency" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>efficiency</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/professionalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>professionalism</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Otherwise one gets shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SaaS</span></a> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scams</span></a> like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> (and it's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>) which are way worse than <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> or <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monerujo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monerujo</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FeatherWallet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FeatherWallet</span></a> for the same purposes.</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://dumbfuckingweb.site/@silhouette" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>silhouette</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://vmst.io/@richi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>richi</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> </p><p><code>1.</code> You <a href="https://dumbfuckingweb.site/@silhouette/statuses/01JVYFY14DGHQ1GRSV6H8DZ2HX" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">completely miss the points!</a> There is no <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechnicalNecessity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechnicalNecessity</span></a>"</em> to demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> - espechally for a <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a>"-focussed messenger</em>!</p><p><code>2. & 3.</code> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is able and willing to comply with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cyberfacism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cyberfacism</span></a> and pushing a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>) makes it trivial to criminalize the App for <em>"illegal & unregilated banking"</em>. If <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Moxie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Moxie</span></a> or <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> cared they'd yeet that thing (or didn't even integrate it to begin with!) to avoid the attention. And yes Signal does restrict the App functionality when using a phone number from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Russia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Russia</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Iran" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Iran</span></a> (among other nations), thus affecting not only those in need of safe comms but by sending a verification code to them, earmarking them for police & intelligence. Which bings.me to the 1st agrument. </p><p><code>4.</code> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> has a stellar record in terms of stability, integrity and censorship circumvention. DIY'ing something instead if following almost two decades of solid progress is absurd and violates <em>"don't roll your own crypto"</em> as a rule!</p><p><code>5.</code> Only with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> can you protect your own data. Or do you really expect Staff from Signal to not talk <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220112020000/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">when facing lifetime in jail?</a> If they have the keys, they can decrypt it, thus their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a> is just a <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrustMeBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TrustMeBro</span></a>!"</em> concept. I mean, what prevents them from being forced into <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">backdooring all comms</a> to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@icij" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>icij</span></a></span> as per <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NSL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NSL</span></a>? Any <a href="https://dumbfuckingweb.site/@silhouette/statuses/01JVYFYWQSWJNYY7ZT4S7E2G0J" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>"guarantee"</em></a> without self-custody is worthless by virtue of being unenforceable!</p><p>Signal pushing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechPopulism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechPopulism</span></a> instead of teaching folks that their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> is worth <em>diddly-piss</em> wothout.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> is dangerous!</p><ul><li>And yes claiming <em>"JuSt UsE sIgNaL!"</em> is dangerous in the era of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/cyberfacist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>cyberfacist</span></a> regime acting as it does (like with the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ICC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ICC</span></a>)!</li></ul><p>Not to mention there are better options that don't do that shite (i.e. demand PII) and just work. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> for example can adapt way better to said risks and ain't run by a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a>!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://meow.social/@Arios" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Arios</span></a></span> The Problem is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Windows</span></a>.</p><p>Don't expect the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DRMflag" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DRMflag</span></a>"</em> to work when it's being used by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> (which in and of itself is problematic for demanding <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> and shilling a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scam</span></a> named <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>!) because like the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/API" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>API</span></a> to signal to Windows <em>"I'm an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Antivirus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Antivirus</span></a> product, disable defender!"</em> this will be abused.</p><ul><li>Also working around <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftRecall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftRecall</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Microsoft</span></a>'s unwillingness to accept (denial of) <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/consent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>consent</span></a> is just bad and we should stop normalizing the use of said <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> alltogether, as eben <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/pirating" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>pirating</span></a> it normalizes it's use.</li></ul><p>If you are actually concerned re: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> you'd yert signal, educate others and use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> ) or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> ) over <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> instead.</p><ul><li>It does take a bit of setup, but in return you get extreme gains in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> beyond what any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VPN</span></a> provider can offer - legally and technically! </li></ul><p>Not to mention <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> falls under <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a>, so your privacy there is already nonexistant!</p><ul><li>Otherwise <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> would've been in jail for the rest of her life already due to the statistic inevitability of it's abuse!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digitalcourage.social/@bachrauf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bachrauf</span></a></span> Hoffentluch habt ihr <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Thunderbird</span></a> aufm Schirm!</p><ul><li>Besser noch wenn Leute als nächsten Schritt ne <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.earth/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@mastodon.earth</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@chaos.social</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParty</span></a> an nem Folgetermin machen!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>daniel</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://poly.cybre.city/users/Polychrome" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Polychrome</span></a></span> good question.</p><p>Maybe <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> ' dev can anser <a href="https://poly.cybre.city/objects/941d0d83-8f1f-41ca-a9b3-7d1dea05602a" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">that question</a></p><ul><li>There's also a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SupportChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SupportChat</span></a> for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>... </li></ul><p>In theory you could just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/backup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>backup</span></a> your entire accounts and keys and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/restore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>restore</span></a> that backup on the new device...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://nrw.social/@my_millennium" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>my_millennium</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@dbrgn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dbrgn</span></a></span> doch, weil es verlangt <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Vertrauen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Vertrauen</span></a> in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Threema</span></a>.und die <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Schweiz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Schweiz</span></a>, was ich als <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCx_G_R0UmQ" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">naiv</a> betrachte.</p><ul><li>Im Vergleich dazu kann mensch <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> über <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> nutzen und so <em>niemals</em> entsprechende Daten angeben und auch flexibel <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> betreiben wenn mensch keinen Provider mag!</li></ul><p>Alles andere sind proprietäre Silos und damit inhärent unsicher!</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EOD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EOD</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://nrw.social/@my_millennium" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>my_millennium</span></a></span> danke, aber ich setzt auf <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> weil das ist anbieterunabhängig und anders als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Threema</span></a> mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> aller Keys und damit <em>echtes <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em>!</p><ul><li>U.a. <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/chat.app/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mit</a> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> !</li></ul>
cy<blockquote>@delta / <a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> is not using <a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=omemo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> (unlike <a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=monocleschat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a> & <a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a>) but <a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=pgp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME on regular <a href="https://fedicy.us.to?t=email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eMail</a>,<br></blockquote>...wait, why not just email people and use PGP, then?<br>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mk.absturztau.be/@Linux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Linux</span></a></span> for <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> it's about their <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/services/mail.service/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mail</a> & <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/services/chat.service/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">messaging</a> <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/services/services/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">solutions</a> which are <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/account/account/#account_types" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">subscription-financed</a> and in return just work on any devices as well as their <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/services/cloud.service/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nextcloud</a>.</p><ul><li><p>They also offer <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/apps/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">apps for those</a>, and the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesMail</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>apps</span></a> can be used with <em>any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a></em> and any <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> provider that offers <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IMAP</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMTP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SMTP</span></a></em> respectably.</p></li><li><p>Also they allow for fully anonymous payment using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monero</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CashByMail</span></a>.</p></li></ul><p>The ither two I can understand fully...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hear-me.social/@debby" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>debby</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@Stuxhost" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Stuxhost</span></a></span> well, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> is not using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a>) but <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME on regular <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a>, which makes it way easier to setup in organizations as <em>not "yet another server needed"</em> and also easier to comply with <em>mandatory <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/archival" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>archival</span></a> laws</em> in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/business" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>business</span></a> use-cases.</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Session" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Session</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a>, like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WhatsApp</span></a>, do not have their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/backend" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>backend</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a>|d nor allow <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> and demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> for registration if not useage for no valid reason. Plus they are not just able but obviously willing to snitch on their users (something neither DeltaChat nor monocles chat demand or even can as both do 100% <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys!)</p></li><li><p>As for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sustainability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sustainability</span></a>, monocles is financed by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/subscribers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>subscribers</span></a> <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/account/account/#account_types" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(they charge like €2 p.m. for mail & chat)</a> and they can be paid <em>completely anonymously</em> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monero</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CashByMail</span></a>!), whereas <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MoneyBurningParty</span></a> which engages in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scams</span></a> (see <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>!) for no valid reason…</p></li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hear-me.social/@debby" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>debby</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumble" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mumble</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> (+OMEMO = <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>) & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Linphone</span></a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIP</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VoIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VoIP</span></a>) are the better options. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NextcloudTalk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NextcloudTalk</span></a> also exist and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> as well as <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@Stuxhost" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Stuxhost</span></a></span> offer that.</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Session" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Session</span></a> are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solutions!</p></li><li><p>And <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Matrix</span></a> is just a shittier <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>. Give <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> a try instead.</p></li></ul><p>OfC <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a> are also great!</p><p><a href="https://webcall.timur.mobi" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">webcall.timur.mobi</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
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