@empathicqubit the reason I didn't buy the #Fairphone4 (and #WontBuy the #Fairphone5) is because it's a massive #downgrade from the #Fairphone3+:

• no real #DualSIM (#eSIM is not a valid replacement unless it's a removeable #SIM card!)

• Removal of 3,5mm #TRRS jack (#Sony made #waterproof jacks over a decade ago for their #Xperia Z line!)

• Way more expensive (I'm not gonna pay > €500 for a smartphone!) than is reasonable for any smartphone whatsoever.

• No features worth the cost of upgrading; only #downgrade|s!

@voxel @thenewoil personally, I refuse to buy any #phone that doesn't have #toolfree swappable & removeable batteries as a matter of principle.

• Same with real #DualSIM, #HeadphoneJack and #MicroSD...

I just don't accept #Enshittification!

@krutonium @quasigod I mean the advantage is that those devices are supported with @GrapheneOS ...

• Whether you choose them or not is up to you...

Personally, I need my #ToolfreeSwappableBattery, #DualSIM and #microSD as well s #HeadphoneJack and won't negotiate these, so #Fairphone is already loosing me as a customer and my next device will likely be something else...

@Linux_Is_Best personally, I'm sad #GrapheneOS is only available for very few devices, none of which are repairable or have the required feature set I need (real #DualSIM, 3,5mm TRRS Jack, toolfree-swappable battery, #microSD slot)...

• I wish for some good #Android - #ROM that does the closest to being @tails_live / @tails / #Tails for mobile, which forces all #traffic through @torproject / #Tor...

@Germo The problem I have is that #eSIM restricts my #FreedomOfChoice re: #Devices.

• Yes, I do use multiple devices and I want to be able to pick them freely.

Same with #eSIM: I can put that on a #SIM #Card *but I can't swap the soldered-down #Chip!

• #Fairphone could've offered / included an #eSIMcard (yes, these do exist!) and thus solved the entire issue: offering #eSIM & #DualSIM without the need of a #TripleSIM-capable #Baseband!

And yes, I routinely use #eSIMcards because I get the #freedom and #flexibility of choice, because it's noone's business which #device I use Which #plans on!

• And whilst courts in #Germany ruled it's illegal to charge for #DeciceSwaps re: #eSIMs, that is only enforceable against #MNO|s & #MVNO|s from #Germany!

Plus many plans I want to use and/or help people to setup are #SIMonly and not available as #eSIM (i.e. #netzclub)...

• No, eSIM is NOT a sufficient replacement even by the sheer fact that most of my devices can't even manage an eSIM Card unless that would he possible just with #ICCDcodes and *"#SIMtoolkit" / embedded Firmware on the #SIMcard!

I dare you to try to deploy an #eSIM on a #2Gonly #StupidPhone whereas a regular SIM can just be chugged in!

@phranck @necrosis leider nein...

#Fairphone hat nicht nur Preise angezogen, sondern auch #Klinkenbuchse & #DualSIM gecancelt...

• Und #degoogled #ROM #eOS / #e_os kostet ordentlich Aufpreis...

@necrosis ich mag mein #FP3plus.

• Blöd nur dass #Fairphone seitden nur #Enshittification macht.

Dabei will ich nicht viel:

• Kleines, aktuelles #Android (vorzugsweise ohne #Google!)
• 3,5mm Klinkenbuchse
• echtes #DualSIM (kein #eSIM-Müll!)
• werkzeugfrei tauschbarer Akku
• microSD-Slot
• Unter € 500 Verkaufspreis

Ist das so schwer?

@halva +9001%

• #HeadphoneJack is a non-negotiable #MustHave!

Just like #ToolfreeSwappableBattery and real #DualSIM (not #eSIM! If I want that I'll get that myself...)

@LunaDragofelis Yeah, and I demand #Fairphone to unfuck that shit and give ma back a proper #DualSIM device with the #Fairphome6 as #Sony did #Waterproof Smartphones back in the early 2010s.

What really pisses me off is that everyone thinks @frameworkcomputer and #Fairphone are glorious, when in fact even #Framework13 & #Fairphone4 / #Fairphone5 are objectively #Downgrade|s compared to what I'm currently using: [ #ThinkPad #X230Tablet & #Fairphone3plus ]

• The newer Fairphones don't have real #DualSIM and instead of a 2nd SIM Slot a shitty #eSIM and removed the #HeadphoneJack for no valid reason!

• #Framework doesn't have #ToolfreeSwappable #Batteries so having more #offgrid range isn't done by a quick swap on the go.

@RL_Dane @joel except the Pixel devices are glued shut and don't have #DualSIM nir #microSD anymore...
https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113294940481260978

@joel +9001%

The only option I knew was the #Fairphone #FP3plus which was discontinued, abeit it's <$500, nit $400.

• every device after that went more expensive AND removed features like a real #DualSIM capability (#eSIM is not a replacement for a #SIM slot!)

@Pandora @murena @e_mydata @gael
I am aware of #murena and #eOS and I do think they are great.

• It's just that with the #Fairphone3plus being #OutOfProduction there isn't any viable option that ticks my boxes...

• no real #DualSIM and no #HeadphoneJack are #WontBuy for me, even if some people think having the freedom to switch devices without the network operators' blessing and being able to just plug in a decent headphone instead of some #unrepariable #bluetooth #garbage is a "nieche case"...

@darth There's a simple fix for #SailfishOS & #JollaPhone:

• * #Jolla * has to make the #firmware and necessary #tools available to the #public at no extra cost.

After all, #Fairphone can do that too, and they provide a way better product with the #Fairphone3plus [abeit they #Enshittified #Fairphone4 & #Fairphone5 by removing #HealdphoneJack and real #DualSIM capabilities! (#eSIM doesn't count!)]....

@Jessica +9001%

I want a #repairable, #affordable and #compact / #grippable device I can actually use for more than 15mins off the wall.

• IDGAF if it's a 500g brick of #Nokianiet and has the same dimensions as the #IridiumExtreme if it is as durable, has #DualSIM, all day & toolfree swappable batteries and just works with excellent reception!

https://youtu.be/sZWN65NqNOc

Amd if modern phones cost the same if not more, I might just buy one just to make #robocalling more expensive...

@GrapheneOS good.

Now I just need to find a device that you support that isn't a gued-shut & unrepairable mess with real #DualSIM, #MicroSD & #HeadphoneJack...

I really wished you'd support #shift and #Fairphone|s...