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@brynet personally, I think #WMI is #Microsoft's #EmbraceExtendExtinguish strategy to #proprietary-ize functions that should belong into open ABIs like #ACPI!
en.wikipedia.orgACPI - Wikipedia
#embraceextendextinguish
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@theverge @tech-news-theverge yeah...
Meanwhile I recommend migrating to #WebRTC like #JitsiMeet, #WebCall and espechally classic #SIP / #VoIP like #Linphone!
- #Skype fucked up big time, but TBH it was #Microsoft doing #EmbraceExtendExtinguish instead that killed it!
Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)#Skype *really* [sounds like opening a can](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0w_pwZY3E&t=5m12s) when you think about it…
#spam I don't care about a bluesky enabling app. Why is my feed suddenly blowing up over "SwILL"? (added a w just because)
Looks to me the the money at bluesky has taken official am at mastodon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
en.wikipedia.orgEmbrace, extend, and extinguish - Wikipedia
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@Mike McCue A new proposal for a Fediverse logo is a Unicode character: ⁂ (U+2042).
This would not only allow, but actively help Meta assume control over the Fediverse.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Asterism #FediverseSymbol #FediverseLogo #Meta #EmbraceExtendExtinguish
Most of all, whether we like it or not, millions of people are being exposed to this icon everyday on Threads as a symbol of the fediverse so I think it’s a pragmatic choice.
This would not only allow, but actively help Meta assume control over the Fediverse.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Asterism #FediverseSymbol #FediverseLogo #Meta #EmbraceExtendExtinguish
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
Ooh, can’t wait to read the gushing praise from Mastodon GmbH for this on the Mastodon blog.
(Mastodon gGmbH and Meta are besties, you see. https://www.platformer.news/mastodon-interview-eugen-rochko-meta-bluesky-threads-federation/)
Is it up yet?
#mastodon #meta #besties #allTheBetterToSeeYouWith #EmbraceExtendExtinguish https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/112391192672337102
Platformer · How Mastodon made friends with MetaFounder Eugen Rochko on helping Threads federate, dodging venture capital, and why he hopes Bluesky abandons its protocol
Mima-sama Tbh I'm not enthusiastic about a #Mastodon #hardfork. Not necessarily because of the #techdebt or even because it's technically inferior to other #ActivityPub implementations (which are both true), but because I cannot be sure if that new fork is going to adopt the same attitude as Mastodon in choking the rest of the #fediverse with its proprietary extensions and #EmbraceExtendExtinguish / #EEE.
I'd rather not have the uncertainty. Either start from scratch like #GoToSocial is doing or help the other two mainstream AP families which are #Misskey and #Pleroma. That's the only way we can ensure no implementation overwhelmingly dominates the fedi. :seija_coffee:
#fediversemeta
RE: https://hachyderm.io/users/jenniferplusplus/statuses/112355187216928083
Hachyderm.ioJenniferplusplus (@jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io)If in-place upgrades aren't the goal, then just build something new. Or contribute to one of the various preexisting projects. Don't adopt mastodon's tech debt for no reason. It's not worth it.
I know I'm eager to have more help, if existing projects suddenly sound better.
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@balterwenjamin42 @andricheli @macberg
#enshittification usually comes overnight. One day #obsidian Wikilinks might not open in #Loqseq, APIs get paywalled, dotfiles get converted to obfuscated format for "your privacy and security" and you're one announcement away from being tied to a pole. But enthusiasts will keep saying that .md is an open format.
Interview by @mike with @Gargron.
So according to Eugen, he's been using XMPP during a time when people let their desktop PCs run all the time, which is ideal for XMPP's requirement to maintain an active connection from sender to recipient in order to actually deliver messages.
But when the world transitioned from desktop PCs to mobile phones, XMPP's requirement to stay always on was just not practical, and the world moved on from XMPP and onto other platforms.
The only way people used XMPP was through Facebook and Google Talk, but the mainstream really didn't have a strong appreciation for XMPP.
According to Eugen, Email is still going strong because everyone knows how to work with it
Effectively, embracing, extending, extinguishing is just not a thing for email yet.
He’s making a list,
He’s checking it twice,
He’s going to decide,
Who’s naughty or nice…
Zuckerberg is coming to town.
Cari amici della decentralizzazione, benvenuti alla fine del mondo!
Uno dei più gravi limiti di Mastodon (per non parlare di altri software osceni, come il farraginoso Friendica o il giocattoloso Misskey) è che… fa schifo!
No non è vero, non fa schifo, anzi ha migliorato molto l’ergonomia, ma rispetto ai social commerciali sembra essere ancora in ritardo di diversi anni.
Al momento solo Bluesky sembra fare peggio, ma in quel caso stiamo parlando in effetti di un feto morto tenuto in vita artificialmente dai giornalisti americani, quindi è un po’ fuori concorso…
* Da qualche giorno però alcune testate internazionali ma anche quelle italiane (chiamiamole testate), rilanciano praticamente lo stesso comunicato stampa che esalta Mammoth, l’app Mastodon sviluppata dalla The BLDV Inc., la start-up californiana finanziata da Mozilla (e QUINDI da Google, che ormai finanzia il 90% di Mozilla)
Volevate sapere perché avessi titolato “finanziata da Google”?
L’app è decisamente fatta bene e presenta alcune novità interessanti.
L’app aggiornata introdurrà una serie di funzionalità progettate per attirare gli ex utenti di X, inclusi suggerimenti personalizzati di account da seguire, per aiutarti a ricostruire la tua rete su Mastodon, nonché “liste intelligenti” curate che ti aiutano a trovare le conversazioni interessanti che si svolgono su Mastodon.
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Mammoth si integrerà anche con le redazioni di Flipboard, l’app di social magazine per curare le notizie su argomenti provenienti da tutto il web tramite account come News, Tech, Culture e Science. Ed è partner di Newsmast, un altro curatore di notizie e comunità su Mastodon, così come di Press.coop, che importa i feed da siti web di notizie popolari in Mastodon. Queste integrazioni consentono a Mammoth 2 di creare una serie di altre “liste intelligenti”, tra cui quelle per News, World News, Business, Tech, Environment e Nature.
Dall’articolo di Sarah Perez pubblicato il 7 dicembre su TechCrunch
Insomma, per usare con più semplicità Mastodon, gli utenti rinunceranno all’aspetto più importante offerto da Mastodon: la decentralizzazione!
Seguire le liste di altri, integrare monnezza come Newsmast (uno dei progetti più orientati alla centralizzazione anglosferica delle notizie che inizia ad avere qualche cantor anch nel Fediverso italiano), tutto ciò che abbiamo sempre voluto evitare migrando da Twitter a Mastodon!
Non vi nascondo poi che vedere Mammoth diventare così popolare in qualche modo negli ultimi giorni è davvero sconfortante: basta una campagna di poche migliaia di dollari per infestare tutto il fediverso con i redazionali di una aziendina statunitense.
Tra l’altro, molte delle funzionalità di Mammoth erano state già implementate da IceCubes. Per non parlare del fatto che IceCubes è sempre stato gratuito e open source!
Anche Mammoth è diventato open source. Ma quando lo avvii, la prima cosa che fa (che cosa orribile!) è farti seguire automaticamente il loro account (ho ricevuto messaggi visivi nella schermata delle nuove funzionalità, ma non sono stato in grado di fermare il follow su quella schermata) e hanno un’icona merdosissima simile a quella di Threads.
La cosa più preoccupante però è loro funzione SmartLists: invia il tuo handle alla loro istanza ufficiale moth.social, che utilizza un fork Mastodon che serve la funzione “Smart Lists”. Si può ragionevolmente vedere come questo mina la decentralizzazione…
Nella foto, Hänsel e Gretel mentre apprezzano l’ergonomia delle app finanziate da BigTechUn’ultima considerazione amara? Non è vero che vogliamo sempre rovinare le cose belle che abbiamo. Ma purtroppo è vero che abbiamo sempre questo desiderio irrefrenabile di aiutare chiunque voglia rovinare ciò che abbiamo. Purché sia ricco, bello e potente…
Se vuoi contattarmi puoi farlo qui!
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Love your work, and this episode sounds fascinating. Sadly, I just can't bring myself to boost/visit a link promoting the company trying to #EmbraceExtendExtinguish open podcasting into their own silo'd platform. (aka #Spotify )
Is there anywhere else it can be heard? Hell, I don't mind giving *you* money (directly) to hear it. I just don't want to (indirectly) give money to *them*.
Thanks!
"The company has continuously built and extended their products around the free and open RSS protocol to gain user trust, only to then remove RSS support once they've locked users in, and ignore any complaints or requests to restore it.
Not only is it a blatant disregard for RSS and a huge disappointment to those who use it, it poses one of the biggest threats to the freedom and openness of the internet."
https://openrss.org/blog/how-google-helped-destroy-adoption-of-rss-feeds
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@persagen I'm still trying to decide what I'll use when #google stops working for me but it won't be #Bing.. #Microsoft is ruthless - crushing #Netscape in the 1990's, their #EmbraceExtendExtinguish play against #Java, ongoing attempts to sabotage #OpenOffice standards to prop up their #Office365 product - they won't be getting my search traffic.
Maybe @duckduckgo ?
https://medium.com/codex/microsoft-hasnt-changed-at-all-618160578af5
CodeXMicrosoft Hasn’t Changed At All - CodeX - Medium
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@marcoshuerta What's more likely to happen, though, is that Threads will make onboarding / UX for the masses, so everyone will join there instead because they "can still access everything from the Fediverse" and then once the critical mass is on their Platform Meta will turn it into a walled garden to lock everyone in and milk them for their attention.
Then you lost access not only to the few people you're missing now, but also everyone else.
Tada! Classic #EmbraceExtendExtinguish playbook.
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3/ Here's a link to very interesting (and very long) thread on the subject.
I've only been in the #Fediverse for several months now, but I think that once folks get here and see the overall positive feed, they will also see the distinct advantages of not being under a corporate #oligarchy... of not being bombarded with ads and manipulated by algorithms... and the confidence of not having their data harvested or scraped, they will reject any unethical feed from #Threads and block the #ThreadsApp and the #Metaverse for themselves.
I do understand the comfort of small instances, but I also understand the power of big ones. I think that fracturing the Fediverse will only empower Zuckerberg, not hurt him, and will leave #Mastodon and the #Fediverse weaker and worse off for doing so.
The #InformationAge is built on #connectivity, not isolationism.
#Universodon #MastodonSocial #EEE #MastodonOnline #EmbraceExtendExtinguish
news.ycombinator.comAs a Mastodon/Fediverse user, I hope the rumors that this is based on ActivityPu... | Hacker News
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2/ The only verified info I've been able to find says that while #Meta is trying to create a platform that will EVENTUALLY be compatible with #ActivityPub (and therefore eventually be able to #federate w/the entire #Fediverse), that feature is only promised. They say the capability is being built into the #ThreadsApp, but they haven't added it yet.
Most likely, they want to bring current #Meta accounts to their app 1st, rather than allowing them to explore the entire Fediverse (and possibly choose a diff instance than theirs). I don't see them rushing to connect to us right away.
Despite what are probably legitimate concerns abt #EmbraceExtendExtinguish ( #EEE), individual users & admins have the option to block #Threads posts and even the entire instance. I don't think cutting oneself off from everyone is a good idea. "Divided we fall" means that our divisions only give Meta more power & reputability.
TechCrunchAdam Mosseri says Meta's Threads app won't have ActivityPub support at launchInstagram head Adam Mosseri says that Threads app won't support ActivityPub at the launch, but team is working on it.
Actually effective strategies against #Meta to prevent an #EmbraceExtendExtinguish are difficult, but they start from asking "what will actually help here."
I maintain that preemptive #DefederateMeta is ineffective for this and that defederating from those who won't defederate from meta does more harm than good.
But what will help is thinking about the roadmap and getting there first. What will help is building a robust and thriving community around #ActivityPub and other fediverse protocols.
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Food for thought! Wasn't expecting Activity Pub to be seen as a menace to Meta but there we are.
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Point 1:
Meta's ability to scrape is not made worse by your defederating except in the most marginal terms.
Point 2:
If I were looking to #EmbraceExtendExtinguish I wouldn't be limited to a single server and I wouldn't be deterred by a few servers who are deciding not to talk to me.
You think Meta is going to shrug their shoulders if the instance of 10 people, foobar.example.baz, decides to not federate with them?
If _everyone_ defederated with them do you think they would just give up?
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@tchambers @darius Seems like that kind of ignores the "extend" part of #EmbraceExtendExtinguish... When they start adding their own weird, undocumented stuff on top of #ActivityPub and then all of the real #FOSS activitypub clients don't/can't implement it, then most people are going to blame them for being broken, rather than GoogBook for not following the standard. Then people learn that only MegaCorps clients "work right" and stay there when the clients stop using activity pub all together.