Marcel Waldvogel<p>Both <a href="https://waldvogel.family/tags/Yandex" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Yandex</span></a> and <a href="https://waldvogel.family/tags/Meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Meta</span></a> used obfuscation techniques to hide that the traffic occured and/or that the apps were listening to these requests:</p><p>➡️ Meta traffic was using <a href="https://waldvogel.family/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a>, which does not show up in the browser's developer tools<br>➡️ Yandex traffic looked non-local<br>➡️ Yandex apps started listening only after several days</p><p>BTW: Apparently, Meta stopped doing this yesterday. But they probably still have the mapping DB.<br>All the details by the researchers here.<br><a href="https://localmess.github.io/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">localmess.github.io/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ip6li" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ip6li</span></a></span> habe grade auch nen Interview abgelehnt, weil <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftTeams</span></a> geb' ich mir nicht!</p><ul><li>Ist ja nicht so als hätte ich denen gleich mehrere Alternativen angeboten von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIP</span></a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VoIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VoIP</span></a>) über <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a>) und hätte im Bedarfsfalle sogar nen eigenen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a>-Server aufgesetzt...</li></ul>
xoron :verified:<p>Send files privately. No cloud. No trace.</p><p><a href="https://glitr.io" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">glitr.io</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>I’m working towards something for <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/secure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>secure</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/private" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>private</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/simple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>simple</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/P2P" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>P2P</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/filetransfer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>filetransfer</span></a>. It isnt as “simple” as it could be, im still working on it, but ive got it down to:</p><p>Zero-installation as a <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PWA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PWA</span></a></p><p>Zero-registration by using local-only storage</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/P2P" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>P2P</span></a>-authentication using <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/WebCryptoAPI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCryptoAPI</span></a></p><p>Fast <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/datatransfer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>datatransfer</span></a> using <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a></p><p>It’s far from finished, but i think ive got it “usable” enough to ask for feedback on it.</p><p>When comparing this project to things like <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/wormhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>wormhole</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/onionshare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>onionshare</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/localsend" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>localsend</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/syncthing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>syncthing</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/croc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>croc</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/sphynctershare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sphynctershare</span></a> and countless others. the key difference in my approach is that its a <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/webapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webapp</span></a> thats ready to go without any "real" setup process. you just need a browser.</p><p>I’m aware there are things like <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/SFTP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SFTP</span></a> and several other established protocols and tools. I started doing this because I was learning about <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> and it seems suprisingly capable. This isnt ready to replace any existing apps or services.</p><p>(Note: I know you guys are typically interested in <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> code. this project is a spin-off from a bigger project: <a href="https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">github.com/positive-intentions</span><span class="invisible">/chat</span></a>)</p><p>Let me know what you think about the app, features and experience you would expect from a tool like this.</p><p>---</p><p>SUPER IMPORTANT NOTES TO PREVENT MISLEADING:</p><p>These projects are not ready to replace any existing apps or services.</p><p>These projects are not peer-reviewed or security audited.</p><p>The chat-app is <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> for transparency (as linked above)... but the file-app is not open souce at all (especially spicy when not reviewed or audited.).</p><p>All projects behind positive-intentions are provided for testing and demo purposes only.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://flipboard.com/@theverge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>theverge</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://flipboard.com/@theverge/tech-news-e3qmqbb8z" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tech-news-theverge</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114408031693623764" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yeah...</a></p><p>Meanwhile I recommend migrating to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a> and espechally classic <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIP</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VoIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VoIP</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Linphone</span></a>! </p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Skype</span></a> fucked up big time, but TBH it was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Microsoft</span></a> doing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> instead that killed it!</li></ul>
IT News<p>Tiny, Hackable Telepresence Robot for under $100? Meet Goby - [Charmed Labs] are responsible for bringing numerous open-source hardware products... - <a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/04/17/tiny-hackable-telepresence-robot-for-under-100-meet-goby/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">hackaday.com/2025/04/17/tiny-h</span><span class="invisible">ackable-telepresence-robot-for-under-100-meet-goby/</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/telepresencerobot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>telepresencerobot</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/crowdfunding" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>crowdfunding</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/telepresence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>telepresence</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/tinypresence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tinypresence</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/robotshacks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>robotshacks</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/arduino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>arduino</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/webrtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webrtc</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/esp32" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>esp32</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/goby" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>goby</span></a> <a href="https://schleuss.online/tags/fpv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fpv</span></a></p>
𝕂𝚞𝚋𝚒𝚔ℙ𝚒𝚡𝚎𝚕<p>FilePizza • Your files, delivered.<br>Peer-to-peer file transfers in your browser.</p><p>Using WebRTC, FilePizza eliminates the initial upload step required by other web-based file sharing services. Because data is never stored in an intermediary server, the transfer is fast, private, and secure.</p><p>🍕 <a href="https://file.pizza" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">file.pizza</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/filetransfer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>filetransfer</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/webrtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webrtc</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/p2p" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>p2p</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/peertopeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>peertopeer</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/webtool" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webtool</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>security</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/browser" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>browser</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/web" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>web</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/nostore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>nostore</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/fasttransferspeed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fasttransferspeed</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/file" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>file</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/filesharing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>filesharing</span></a></p>
Perry<p>I like p2p communication with webRTC better and better. not having a server in between which stores messages, but only sending messages (directly or in the form of a queue) when both peers are online. writing a message queue is my next step in my <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaiOS</span></a> app <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/webRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webRTC</span></a> <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaiOS</span></a> <a href="https://github.com/strukturart/flop" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">github.com/strukturart/flop</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p>Either am stupid or did <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Linphone</span></a> basically <em>memory-holed</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LinphoneWeb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LinphoneWeb</span></a> and all <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SourceCode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SourceCode</span></a> for it?</p><ul><li>All I can find about it is <a href="https://www.linphone.org/en/news/linphone-web-1-0-available-today/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PressRelease" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PressRelease</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Copypasta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Copypasta</span></a> of it. </li></ul><p>No <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/git" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>git</span></a> or anything... </p><ul><li>Which is sad because it's basically a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIP</span></a> client that works with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> in a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Browser" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Browser</span></a>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jwildeboer</span></a></span> Seriously, who uses <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Skype</span></a> in the age of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a>?</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0w_pwZY3E" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0w_pwZY3E</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
crows call me breadlady<p>who has a <a href="https://friend.camp/tags/webrtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webrtc</span></a> experience report</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://433.world/@Yuvalne" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Yuvalne</span></a></span> consider <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NextcloudTalk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NextcloudTalk</span></a> (included in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>nextcloud</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nextcloud</span></a> as hosted <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/services/cloud.service/#confer" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">by</a> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@Stuxhost" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Stuxhost</span></a></span> ) as well as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a> (which is even easier to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHost</span></a>.</p><ul><li>If you only need 1:1 <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Videocalling" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Videocalling</span></a>, consider <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a> <a href="https://timur.mobi/webcall/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">as a secure alternative</a>.</li></ul><p>All 3 use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> and don't require any shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Client" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Client</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Installation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Installation</span></a> whatsoever: They work from any modern <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Browser" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Browser</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Firefox</span></a>!</p>
Bhante Subharo ☸️<p>After taking a closer look at <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> clients for the <a href="https://c.im/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>linux</span></a> desktop, there's this frustrating "tie" for finding a favorite. </p><p><a href="https://c.im/tags/Dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Dino</span></a>, which is likeable for being able to do video and audio calls, only has limited support for multi-user chat (complete with fancy moderation tools). These audio and video calls it can do are AMD64-only at this time.</p><p><a href="https://c.im/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a>, which is likeable for being able to do multi-user chat well (with great moderation tools), alas, can't do audio and video calls to the other XMPP clients (like, say, <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Conversations</span></a>, as they use a newer <a href="https://c.im/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a>-based method now).</p><p>So there's this strange situation where one is tempted to use both at the same time.</p><p>My takeaway is that <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Conversations</span></a> for <a href="https://c.im/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a> is the only xmpp client that I would possibly and carefully recommend to family and friends at this time, as it can cover all of the above. (<a href="https://c.im/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monal</span></a> on <a href="https://c.im/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iOS</span></a>/#MacOS only has "partial" support for Multi-user chat, BTW.)</p><p>Yes I'm aware of the existence of Snikket, Quicksy, and Prav. No need to chime in on those.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@cwebber" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cwebber</span></a></span> yes, and we already have options for that:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a>, etc. for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Chat</span></a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a> and other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a>-based comms.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumbke" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mumbke</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIP</span></a> and other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VoIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VoIP</span></a> solutions.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionShare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OnionShare</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wormhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Wormhole</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/oshi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>oshi</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BitTorrent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BitTorrent</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IPFS</span></a> for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Filesharing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Filesharing</span></a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nextcloud</span></a> et. al. for collaboration.</p></li></ul><p>...</p>
xoron :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>kkarhan</span></a></span> </p><p>thanks for the reply! far from being discouraged, i appriciate your engagement. i will try to be reasonably brief in my reponse to your points and give a general update on progress and objective.</p><p>> scout out existing solutions</p><p>i have seem similar <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/webapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webapp</span></a> implementation, i think so far for "that kind" of chat app, the chat app is able to demonstrate similar basic functionality. for a wider adoption, the user interface needs to be more appealing, but i think its important to have a working proof-of-concept first. the project is specifically aiming to be a <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/javascript" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>javascript</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/localFirst" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>localFirst</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/webapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webapp</span></a>.</p><p>a couple notable similar implementation to mine are:<br>- <a href="https://github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat</span><span class="invisible"></span></a><br>- <a href="https://github.com/jeremyckahn/chitchatter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">github.com/jeremyckahn/chitcha</span><span class="invisible">tter</span></a><br>(im sure there are many more, but i think my approach is yet different and unique to the ones i've come across.)</p><p>> DO NOT DIY ENCRYPTION!</p><p>this is indeed a reccomended practice i have seen several times. here is a previsous reddit post on the matter: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptography/comments/1cint8h/what_are_your_thoughts_on_subtlecrypto_vs_wasm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">reddit.com/r/cryptography/comm</span><span class="invisible">ents/1cint8h/what_are_your_thoughts_on_subtlecrypto_vs_wasm</span></a> ... tldr; the underlying implementation provided by the browser is the best way to go. i have implemented the <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>encryption</span></a> using the <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/webcrypto" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webcrypto</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/api" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>api</span></a>. i aim to not use a library for this. </p><p>i generally try to word things in a way that users can provide feedback on features. the app is still in a very early stage, but has a reasonable amount of features. im generally open to requests and questions.</p><p>> minimum viable product</p><p>what you see as the chat app is also the <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/minimum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>minimum</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/viable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>viable</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/product" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>product</span></a>. i think its sufficiently demonstrates the basic functionality of a chat app. i think the next step is to make the app more stable and user friendly.</p><p>those other apps youve mentions ive come across before. what sets my approach apart is that mine it's purely a webapp. with what id like to describe as <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/p2p" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>p2p</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/authentication" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>authentication</span></a> over <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/webrtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webrtc</span></a>, im able to remove reliance on a backend for <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/authenticate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>authenticate</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/data" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>data</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/connections" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>connections</span></a>. in some cases, bypass the internet (wifi/hotspot). while there are several ways to <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/selfhost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfhost</span></a>, in this approach of a <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/javascript" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>javascript</span></a> implementation, im able to store large amounts of data in the browser so things like images and <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/encryptionKeys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>encryptionKeys</span></a> can be <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/selfhosted" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfhosted</span></a>" in the browser. while this form has nuanced limitations, it also has interesting implications to security and privacy.</p><p>there are many nice features from the different apps you mentioned and i think i have some unique features too. the bottle neck in this project is that i dont put in enough time to the app.</p><p>> feel free to slowly ibtegrate them.</p><p>this is basically already my approach to get the app to where it is now.</p><p>thanks for the luck, take care and i hope you stay tuned for updates.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@xoron" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>xoron</span></a></span> most of <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@xoron/113537250915068979" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">those features</a> have already been implemented in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a>-based solutions <a href="https://timur.mobi/webcall/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">like</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a> <a href="https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">and</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMert" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMert</span></a>, abeit like with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> none does all of those things together, and that is somewhat an acceptable tradeoff...</p>
Álvaro Costa<p>Did I create the ultimate tool to watch anime with friends?<br>:blobcatuwu:</p><p>xtream is a website where you can "upload" any video and watch among other people, without loss of quality.</p><p>Files are actually transferred privately via a P2P connection, without going through my server.</p><p>Each user can choose their preferred audio and subtitle language. Without installing programs or extensions.</p><p>🧵</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.chabal.es/tags/P2P" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>P2P</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.chabal.es/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FOSS</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.chabal.es/tags/Rust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Rust</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.chabal.es/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.chabal.es/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> that's a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Marketing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Marketing</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lie</span></a> as <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> collects and demands <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> to this day, and unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a>-based options like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a>, one cannot <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHost</span></a> Signal!</p><p>So please stop such bs claims, because they insult the intellect of everyone who's even halfassing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a>...</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113467293263701678" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1134672</span><span class="invisible">93263701678</span></a></p>
panigrc<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@jnv" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jnv</span></a></span> There is also <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/pairdrop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>pairdrop</span></a> that can be used to transfer files between devices without any installation using <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> <br><a href="https://github.com/schlagmichdoch/pairdrop" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">github.com/schlagmichdoch/pair</span><span class="invisible">drop</span></a></p>
Nextcloud 📱☁️💻<p>We're hiring! 🚀</p><p>👩🏽💻 From developer positions in <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a>, to Partner Marketing and PR - our team is growing faster than ever!</p><p>🌏 Come join Nextcloud's globally distributed team of deeply passionate individuals! </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/opensourcejobs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensourcejobs</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/remotefirst" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>remotefirst</span></a></p><p><a href="https://nextcloud.com/jobs/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">nextcloud.com/jobs/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Perry<p><a href="https://swiss.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaiOS</span></a> <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/webRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webRTC</span></a> <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/leaflet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>leaflet</span></a> I've made progress on my webRTC chat app for KaiOS. I've created a map component that allows the user to share their location and live location. In the next step I'll enable the sharing of audio messages. I'm still thinking about how I'm going to solve this so that it remains easy to use.</p><p><a href="https://github.com/strukturart/flop" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">github.com/strukturart/flop</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
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