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@LaF0rge @stman @kDelta @Sempf obviously that's why it was discontinued for a time in #Germany, as it was considered as obsolete as #HSCSD is in light of faster standards that - even without guaranteed bandwith - will yield higher throughput.

  • Obviously #CellBroadcast will necessitate a constant bandwith allocation for functionality as it's design is based upon repeating a message until it's transmissiom being removed.

Still, even in contended #spectrum this is manageable, espechally since most #MNOs only maintain vestigal #2G or #3G infrastructure solely for #emergency coverage and reliability, as most phones will call emergency services over 2G and 3G and not via #VoLTE.

  • To add insult to injury, most BSCs will downgrade to 2G-only service by default in case of power loss to maximize UPS range and in the case of #NewZealand even switch off all services but #SMS & #EmergencyServicesCalling to enshure people in need can get their calls out, as the population is instructed to use SMS for person-to-person communication (as SMS is a low-priority, non-realtime service using excess bandwith and thus not compete with calling like #EDGE and #CSD would.
Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@stman@mastodon.social well, there were *some commercial services* that used #CellBroadcast but for the most part it's *best feature* is the effective mass alerting of people in an area without needing them to *install yet another app* or *signup to yet another service*... - The [temporary] shutdown of #CellBroadcast caused hundreds of avoidable deaths [in Germany alone.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_European_floods#Germany) @kDelta@mastodon.ie @Sempf@infosec.exchange @LaF0rge@chaos.social @nitrokey@nitrokey.com @signalapp@mastodon.world @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
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@stman well, there were some commercial services that used #CellBroadcast but for the most part it's best feature is the effective mass alerting of people in an area without needing them to install yet another app or signup to yet another service...

@kDelta @Sempf @LaF0rge @nitrokey @signalapp @GrapheneOS

en.wikipedia.org2021 European floods - Wikipedia

@kDelta @stman @Sempf @LaF0rge @nitrokey @signalapp @GrapheneOS

Given the hamfisted "Australian Approach" I disagree.

  • Noone here claims #2G or #3G are safe but don't you think stuff like "Emergency Coverage" and #CellBroadcast are useful?

Will be interesting to see if Australia can pull that off without having to reenable 2G, cuz I've not heard of a #4G implementation of it...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Bro

📢 Cellbroadcastd 0.0.1 was released yesterday 📢

#cbd provides the following:
- persistent storage of received #CellBroadcast messages
- notifications for user interfaces/DEs to handle
- set channels to subscribe to (based on country)
- CLI tool for inspection/debugging purposes

gitlab.freedesktop.org/devrtz/

Many thanks to @NGIZero for funding, @agx for involving me and tons of review and @snwh for UI design!

GitLabcellbroadcastd 0.0.1 · Evangelos Ribeiro Tzaras / cellbroadcastd · GitLab First cellbroadcastd release Provide permanent storage for received cell broadcast message Set modem channel's based on country Allow to (optionally) send...
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@devrtz @NGIZero @snwh …and as a service to user interfaces/DEs that don't want to add explicit #CellBroadcast support #cbd can now send notifications. Just enabling the setting is enough.

This is configurable on a severity level so you could use a system modal dialog for high severity events and notifications for low severity ones. This is (likely) how we'll wire it up in #phosh once everything has settled in.

Another #Cellbroadcast bit coming to #phosh / #LinuxMobile. The results of the users choice are set in the modem via a small daemon based on information we're getting from mobile-broadband-provider-info. That way only the tiny UI bit is DE specific, the other bits can be reused on other platforms as is. @devrtz is working on adding persistent storage to keep a message history.

Thanks to @NGIZero for supporting this and @snwh for the UI design.

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@MishaVanMollusq @Unixbigot reminds me of the #Ahr valley flooding which killed a lot of folks because none of the media and civil protection talked about it and #CellBroadcast was shutdown years ago...

  • The latter one being reinstated & mandated by @BNetzA and @bmi as a #warning system shortly after!

My advice: Keep to it and ideally be ready to GTFO up hill / to the side on a minute's notice!

en.m.wikipedia.org2021 European floods - Wikipedia
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@aslmx You're incorrect - at least partially.

  • It was reactivated as until the late 2000s and early 2010s it was actually available in all 4 (back then!) major networks.

  • I remember it fondly because I did use the location feature offered in #Eplus's Network extensively...

  • AFAICT #CellBroadcast is only offered as a tunneled service in #4G & #5G networks, so the same issues of #VoLTE apply as *both 4G & 5G were designed for a premium mobile data service and not as a simple replacement of #2G and/or #3G...

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And in #Germany it took a Natural Disaster with a triple digit bodycount for #CellBroadcast to be reactivated per legal mandate and #2G to remain online...

The fact that Telstra was unable to say how many devices roamed their Network should be seen as criminal incompetence cuz asking something like: "How many foreign devices are #roaming in your network?" is a standard #FAQ I'd expect them to put into their public financial reports - even as a #footnote re: #revenue [i.e. total devices, total revenue, average Calls / SMS / data per roaming device] cuz that's standard #metrics every #Telco & #ISP does create anyway...

de.wikipedia.orgHochwasser in West- und Mitteleuropa 2021 – Wikipedia

A #PSA for anyone living, staying, entering or even travelling to/from #Australia:

Apparently, #Australia decided to mandate it's #GSM systems to be shutdown because some #GalaxyBrainChair wanted to yeet #2G & #3G and demand everything to use #4G & #5G when in fact #VoLTE support is spotty at best and #EmergencyCalling oftentimes is explicitly hardcoded to not use #WIFIcalling or VoLTE as providing #triangulation and #LocationData via #SS7 is a desired feature when someone calls EMS, Fire Dept or the Police for help...

  • So essentially #tourists and anyone who hasn't an explicitly fully VoLTE-functional device they tested and verified to also do #EmergencyCalls via VoLTE are fecked with no reception when they need it the most!

  • This WILL KILL PEOPLE!!!

As much as we want to bitch about #GSM & #GPRS / #UMTS being #outdated and #inefficient, there are reasons to at least keep 2G available - ranging from lower power consumption to higher resilience in emergency situations.

  • #NewZealand for example does shutdown non-#EmergencyCalls during severe #Earthquakes so that people trapped and/or in need of urgent assistance can get through to dispatch operators and everyone else has to get in line and take a number aka. use #SMS or if existing #Internet to say "I'm fine!"...

  • If the Ozzies really need that juicy #UHF #SubGHz #Spectrum it's totally feasible to instead change the #allocations and reconfigure #CellularNetworks to use lesser bandwith for 2G (i.e. only keeping the absolute mininum of channels available for any service) and thus clear up space...

And to add insult to injury, Australia passed a #NorthKorea|n-alike #CellPhone #ImportBan for any device that doesn't do i.e. the bespoke proprietary garbage that i.e. #Telstra, #Vodafone and #Optus do with the #baseband modems of their #branded devices...

Seriously, which #TechIlliterate dickhead decided it's a good idea to do that #3Gshutdown in Australia without even a basic 2G network up and running at all?

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@fell @postmarketOS @GrapheneOS that's because #GSM devices can connect to networks even without a #SIM (they need to in order to establish registration & roaming handshakes)...

  • In fact, until several years ago (when it was specifically deactivated due to rampant abuse and false alerts) one could still dial police (110) & fire dept. / EMS (112) in #Germany without an inserted #SIM.

#CellBroadcast as in todays #NationalAlertDay doesn't distinguish between the devices or SIM status as it literally sends the message to everyone in range.