@ohno_itsnate Granted, the #USA is a garbage market in terms of devices and networks, way worse than #Germany was in the 1990s cuz even then #NetLock & #SimLock was so unpopular that no #postpaid #customer accepted those and even in #prepaid with subsidized handsets they got basically boycotted out of the market in the early 2000s.

I do acknowledge that @GrapheneOS has valid reasons why they keep few devices supported (tho granted it's up to #vendors to up their game - their demands ain't absurd nor unfulfillable!)...

@netopwibby OFC #FirefoxOS would've been a success if people exited about it (like me) and #developers (like @fuchsiii) were ever abke to legally obtain any device with FirefoxOS on it.

• AFAIK the only Firefox OS #phone offered in the #EU was a #SimLock'd / #NetLock'd #Prepaid device sold in #Spain, where they demanded #KYC for the #SIM, making it impossible to legally obtain it back then without having to fly down to #Spain, ID at a store, fly back and then be overcharged for #DataRoaming!

IMHO, @Mozilla / #Mozilla cannot be trusted at all!

@bob_zim yeah. Seen it. in the writeup by @micahflee ...

I just hope to find any that ain't #NetLock'd / #SimLock'd to #Verizon and that these support more than #US-#LTE bands...

• Not shure if it needs a valid #SIM or just an #ICCID + #Ki on a #SIM to get going (cuz in #Germany it's hard [imported #SIM] to illegal [domestic SIMs] to get an anonymous SIM since 07/2017.

I just wish @eff wouldn't expect everyone to use #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider services like @signalapp in the age of #CloudAct, cuz neither I nor anyone I'd trust would submit #PII to them like a #PhoneNumer as a matter of principle!

@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen yes, and to add insult to injury #Mozilla didn't even wanted to sell people like @fuchsiii or me a #FirefoxOS device, with the only one being "launched" in the #EU being a #SimLock'd & #NetLock'd #prepaid phone in #Spain one could only attain in-store with all the "#KYC" nonsense they had, demanding a legal address in Spain back then.

• So whilst Firefox OS had the most "#accessible" #Development #tools (literally using #Firefox for it and having every #App as #WebView|s / #HTML5+#JS5+#CSS3 files in a container), they didn't even sold us said devices, making it a worse flop than #UbuntuTouch which at least still gets some devices made that support it...

And #nerds like myself are far from the "#consoomer #Normies" for whom stuff that isn't on shelves at Staturn/MediaMarkt, BestBuy, Walmart, ... doesn't exist. I'm used to importing #tech that I want!

• Feels even more half-assed than #MobileCoin in hindsight…

@quasigod there's a reason #SimLock and #NetLock died in #Europe over a decade ago.

• People don't like getting shafted - espechally on expensive devices.

That being said even #Prepaid providers don't lock their devices anymore but instead they just sell people devices at cost with a tiny margin and make their €€€ longterm bunding a free #SIM with every purchase.

• But yeah, #US #Telco|s are shit!

@usaryan1 @jon +9001%

#RIP #FirefoxOS, cuz @mozillaofficial refusing to sell #develooers devices made it a stillborn!

• Seriously, the only Firefox OS phone in the #EU was some spanish #NetLock'd & #SimLock'd device that one could only get by ID'ing in-store in #Spain and go through #KYC #SecurityTheater cuz it was sold only in a #Prepaid bundle!

@ustralien yeah, @ubuntu bitched that one as well, abeit unlike @mozilla there actually was a.distribotir selling some in #Germany without #NetLock / #SimLock...

@frumble @mozilla Und ja, alle #WebDevs die ich kenne waren begeistert wo #FirefoxOS vorgestellt wurde weil dann ist #Apps programmieren umso einfacher und ohne Bullshit möglich...

• Doof nur dass weder ich noch @fuchsiii noch sonstwer den ich kannte je ein #Firefox-OS - Gerät kaufen konnten, egal wieviel es gekostet hätte.

Die einzigen FirefoxOS-Geräte in der #EU waren #SimLock'd / #NetLock'd #Prepaid-Handys die nur in Spanien bei Telefonica nur als Bundle mit SIM in Shops verkauft wurden!

@ohanamatsumae @micr0 yikes.

#NetLock / #SimLock is still a thing in the #USA?

• Cuz that shit died out in #Germany over a decade ago and wasn't a thing outside of subsidized #prepaid #phones in the pre-#smartphone era...