@fschaap @netopwibby yeah, but why is it in the drawer (besides #FirefoxOS being let to die prematurely)...
We may be aware of Firefox OS' existance in the past but it was never even tried to be sold anywhere to any effect.
I still love #Fennec aka. #FirefoxMobile but I'm still mad at @Mozilla for not even trying to sell me a device, cuz I was at the time literally shouting: "#ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney!" and searched the (back then 4) MNOs' and their (half a dozen) MVNOs' stores (both retail and online) and never came across a Firefox OS device.
Which reminds me of the (coined by me term) "#RedBlueIndex" [named after the parent company that owns both #Saturn and #MediaMarkt, the two biggest, spechalized electronics retailers]:
@ciourte @netopwibby Needless to say I've only heard of some Spanish low-cost #MVNO offering one device only in a #prepaid #bundle when #FirefoxOS was unveiled at the #MWC in #Barcelona based off coverage in @ct_Magazin at the time.
Alas @Mozilla deciding on purpose to literally splinter the market by letting #MNO|s and MVNOs run their #AppStore|s instead of a #centralized model, making the situation worse than in the "P.R." #China where there are several vendor-independent #AppStores for #Android.
Still, I'm #StillMad at #Mozilla for faceplanting Firefox OS cuz it had the easiest way to get started and a good architecture being every #App is just a #WebApp and all the system calls were standard #HTML5 permissions and nothing fancy.
@netopwibby OFC #FirefoxOS would've been a success if people exited about it (like me) and #developers (like @fuchsiii) were ever abke to legally obtain any device with FirefoxOS on it.
@JessTheUnstill @bohwaz @punkfairie @ajsadauskas @tomiahonen @fuchsiii Exactly...
Coincidentially, that's why #Android (and #iOS) doesn't let users have #root access because billions of devices owned by mostly "#TechIlliterates" that hardly get #SecurityUpdates would be an even bigger risk if they didn't boot a locked-down #ROM image, thus only allowing for #malware in user-privilegued userspace!
Cuz having a mobile OS that shoves everything through #Tor and only allows #userspace-Apps in the form modern web technologies would be a big #security and #privacy gain.
@bohwaz @punkfairie @ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen That's exactly the problem, cuz #KaiOS nee #FirefoxOS was a good and solid basis not just for #LowEnd-Devices but could've been excellent for a more #secure mobile OS, as it has good potential for #sandboxing and #KISS-principle'd #Apps that are lean and efficient.
But then again when enthusiasts like @fuchsiii and I were shouting "#ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney!" to #Mozilla, they basically refused to sell any #device, and then we get the "#PSvita-Effect":
@punkfairie @ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen @fuchsiii Yeah and #Symbian is used with cheap phones of a brand named #Swisstone.
Case in point: #KaiOS nee #FirefoxOS is now drowned in obscurity because of #Mozilla mismanagment and hamfisted approach compared to #Android.
@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen @fuchsiii Maybe had #Mozilla actually cared they could've convinced #Nokia to do #FirefoxOS and we'd not have the shitty #Duopoly of today, but as we all know the decisions were made by #TechIlliterate suits that are just #HornyForMoney"…
@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen yes, and to add insult to injury #Mozilla didn't even wanted to sell people like @fuchsiii or me a #FirefoxOS device, with the only one being "launched" in the #EU being a #SimLock'd & #NetLock'd #prepaid phone in #Spain one could only attain in-store with all the "#KYC" nonsense they had, demanding a legal address in Spain back then.
And #nerds like myself are far from the "#consoomer #Normies" for whom stuff that isn't on shelves at Staturn/MediaMarkt, BestBuy, Walmart, ... doesn't exist. I'm used to importing #tech that I want!
@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill also #BlackBerry's #PlayBook #Tablet was released as a accessory screen for their Phones, which gave it "#WiiU-Effect" in terms of marketing.
I mean, the hardware was never their problem and #SMS-Typists swear by their #BlackberryCurve's #keyboard but BlackBerry's #toolchain - just like #SymbianOS's - was just hideous to the point that devs like @fuchsiii didn't even want to try making #Apps for those devices.
#Sony even released some #Symbian #S60 devices but since they didn't have the same signing keys, one couldn't even #sideload apps (not to mention they didn't had the #OviStore on those either!)...
@Rusty @dragonarchitect I disagree re: webOS and FirefoxOS.
#webOS failed due to lack of market penetration (there was only like 1 Tablet from #hp) and #FirefoxOS failed because @mozillaofficial didn't even offer to sell devices to folks like me and @fuchsiii that wanted one.
Add to that the absurdity that #Mozilla basically expected carriers (!!) to maintain and provide the #AppStore|s themselves and you get market fracturing worse than the "P.R." #China (!!!)…
It was mismanaged and self-sabotaged in the worst possible way.
The #Duopoly of #Android & #iOS wasn't unavoidable, but an outcome of #SelfSabotage and halfassed non-commitment by competitors!
@Rusty @dragonarchitect well, it's because @mozillaofficial fucked up #FirefoxOS, #SailfishOS was run into the ground, #webOS got neglected, #Microsoft halfassed #WindowsMobile and #Apple refuses to license #iOS to 3rd parties.
#RIP #FirefoxOS, cuz @mozillaofficial refusing to sell #develooers devices made it a stillborn!
@etua_en @mozilla I never expected #FirefoxOS to become big overnight, but I actually was shouting "#ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney!" and they were like 'Go to Spain and get that obscure prepaid bundle and pray the carrier lets you buy an unlock code to get rid of the #NetLock so you can actually use that thing!'...
And that's just #NotCool!
#UnpopularOpinion: #FirefoxOS was a good #mobile #OS, but @mozilla kneecapped it by not selling devices for it to those that wanted it.
@frumble @mozilla Und ja, alle #WebDevs die ich kenne waren begeistert wo #FirefoxOS vorgestellt wurde weil dann ist #Apps programmieren umso einfacher und ohne Bullshit möglich...
Die einzigen FirefoxOS-Geräte in der #EU waren #SimLock'd / #NetLock'd #Prepaid-Handys die nur in Spanien bei Telefonica nur als Bundle mit SIM in Shops verkauft wurden!
@frumble Ja, nur müsste @mozilla dafür sich den Daumen ausm Arsch ziehen und #FirefoxOS reanimieren!
My dreams for #Mozilla :
A lightweight Firefox edition (in the spirit of XFCE and MX Linux, 100% written in Rust). That was Firefox back in 2004.
- Built-in Multi-account container addon on a window base (new window, new container).
- Built-in Temporary containers addon.
- Built-in LocalCDN addon.
Mobile #FirefoxOS / boot2gecko back. We need open hardware and free softwares in our pockets.
Mozilla crawled, ad-free, web search engine (this has proven useful while cryptocurrencies nor AI did).
Came into the office in my #FirefoxOS hoodie. Some engineers asked me “what was Firefox OS?” Oh boy. Let me tell you a story.
Imagine if Mozilla were what it says it is and had released Firefox OS under GPL…
Instead, they did the research and development (with some of your money, if you donate to them) for a third-party company to come and close it off in a commercial product. Oh and for their patron, Google, to invest $20 million on top to create closed “smart feature phones” to farm the data of the <strike>poors</strike> “next five billion.”
*golf claps*
https://tuxphones.com/smart-feature-phones-revolution-kai-os/