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Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)<p>Linus still did neither remove bcachefs from <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Linux</span></a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>kernel</span></a> nor pulled the updates for 6.17 Kent submitted. </p><p>The latter meanwhile wrote a few mails to <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> which in diplomatic phrases might be called "not really helpful", like this one <a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/3ik3h6hfm4v2y3rtpjshk5y4wlm5n366overw2lp72qk5izizw@k6vxp22uwnwa/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/3ik3h6hfm4</span><span class="invisible">v2y3rtpjshk5y4wlm5n366overw2lp72qk5izizw@k6vxp22uwnwa/</span></a></p><p>It resulted in a few good replies from respected developers that are worth a read if you are followed the topic, among them from Josef Bacik (<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250809192156.GA1411279@fedora/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/2025080919</span><span class="invisible">2156.GA1411279@fedora/</span></a> ), Matthew Wilcox (<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/aJfTPliez_WkwOF3@casper.infradead.org/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/aJfTPliez_</span><span class="invisible">WkwOF3@casper.infradead.org/</span></a> ), Sasha Levin (<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/aJgaiFS3aAEEd78W@lappy/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/aJgaiFS3aA</span><span class="invisible">EEd78W@lappy/</span></a> ) and Theodore Ts'o (<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250810022436.GA966107@mit.edu/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/2025081002</span><span class="invisible">2436.GA966107@mit.edu/</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250810055955.GA984814@mit.edu/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/2025081005</span><span class="invisible">5955.GA984814@mit.edu/</span></a>).</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@GabeMoralesVR" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>GabeMoralesVR</span></a></span> <br><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mailinglists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Mailinglists</span></a> with their problems, [and they both have many] are at least <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/indexable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>indexable</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/searchable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>searchable</span></a> to the point that I could propable make a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/supercut" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>supercut</span></a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> folks shouting at each other...</p><ul><li>I mean they already to so <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvXSSPovi9I" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">in the code</a> of the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>kernel</span></a>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@BrodieOnLinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>BrodieOnLinux</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://buttplug.engineer/@qdot" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>qdot</span></a></span> I find it weird to see <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FLOSS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/devs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>devs</span></a> use an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>InformationBlackhole</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>discord</span></a> which combines all the disadvantages of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MailingList" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MailingList</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Matrix</span></a> and even <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftTeams</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> without any redeeming qualities of any of those, like a functioning search &amp; logging.</p><ul><li>Like the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> is kinda shit in terms of UX <em>but</em> at least there are searchable indexes for it so one can just point at a specific message &amp; comment wthout having to be granted access to it.</li></ul><p>Not to mention that discord is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ableist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ableist</span></a> af by literally preventing the use of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Screenreader" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Screenreader</span></a>-friendly browsers such as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lynx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Lynx</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dillo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dillo</span></a> to work, blocking <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> users <em>and</em> explicitly banning the use of it's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/API" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>API</span></a> to build <em>better</em> clients.</p><ul><li>Not even a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/paid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>paid</span></a>-for exception is offered, thus making integration into even paid-for tools like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HootSuite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HootSuite</span></a> <em>not legally possible</em>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>nixCraft</span></a></span> really, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AIslop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AIslop</span></a> is attacking the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a>?</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hear-me.social/@debby" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>debby</span></a></span> that assumes <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>protonprivacy</span></a></span> actually cares about <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Privacy</span></a>, which they <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCx_G_R0UmQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">evidently</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeXaYR4ed9c" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">don't</a>, cuz otherwise they'd never even <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/log" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>log</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/request" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>request</span></a> any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> to begin with and instead offer their Services via <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a>…</p><ul><li>Not to mention they fuck around with customers' <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>eMails</span></a>, thus having prevented people from contributing to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> in the past...</li></ul><p>To me <a href="https://hear-me.social/@debby/114075194499417075" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">this</a> isn't a big loss, but a <em>conditionless surrender</em> in favour of <em>better competitiors</em> like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> and even <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@Stuxhost" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Stuxhost</span></a></span> for that matter...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>discord</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhiCP8AQWs" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><em>IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!</em></a></p><ul><li><p>It's worse than any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumble" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Mumble</span></a> or even the old <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamSpeak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TeamSpeak</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Skype</span></a> for that matter.</p></li><li><p>It combines the disadvantages of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Forum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Forum</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/paywalled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>paywalled</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>documentation</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>chat</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/voicechat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>voicechat</span></a> with 0 redeeming qualities (unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> &amp; Mumble &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>) it's just an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>InformationBlackhole</span></a>!</p></li></ul><p>I'm shure fecking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dread" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dread</span></a> has better moderation and I'd rather use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftTeams</span></a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Slack</span></a> cuz those at least have proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moderation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>moderation</span></a> tools.</p><ul><li>And I'd rather subscribe to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> and see my inbox getting hosed than using any shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SaaS</span></a>!</li></ul><p>Case in point: I'd rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHost</span></a> all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a>-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.</p><p>I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does <em>everything but horrible</em> to go with multiple <em>smaller &amp; good tools</em></p><ul><li>Public Chat? IRC!</li><li>Group Voicechat? Mumble.</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Documentation</span></a>? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkDocs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mkDocs</span></a>-material.</li><li>1:1 Chats? XMPP+OMEMO.</li><li>E2EE Group Chats? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a>.</li><li>E2EE Calls? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a>.</li><li>Filehosting? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPFS</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BitTorrent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BitTorrent</span></a>, oshi.at, etc. ...</li><li>…</li></ul><p>Check <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>alternativeto</span></a></span> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@european_alternatives" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>european_alternatives</span></a></span> for options.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@bamboombibbitybop" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>bamboombibbitybop</span></a></span> for real? </p><p>Cuz If I look up <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">his account</a> it says <em>"Account banned by moderator!"</em> ...</p><ul><li>Damn.. <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/@boilingsteam/113965793828062968" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">He quit</a> the <a href="https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/7/9" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LKML</a>...</li></ul><p>Seriously, that makes two folks that I do care who went dark / got yeeted...</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HectorMartin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HectorMartin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/R4L" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>R4L</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rust4Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Rust4Linux</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Linux</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Rust</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AsahiLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AsahiLinux</span></a></p>
Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)<p>2/ In case anyone cares: the "Avoid Debian Stable" thread on <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> resurged with three more messages from Kent:</p><p><a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/2197543.irdbgypaU6@lichtvoll.de/t/#u" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">lore.kernel.org/all/2197543.ir</span><span class="invisible">dbgypaU6@lichtvoll.de/t/#u</span></a></p><p>And FWIW in case you missed it: Jonathan Carter recently orphaned <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>bcachefs</span></a>-tools in <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Debian</span></a>: <a href="https://jonathancarter.org/2024/08/29/orphaning-bcachefs-tools-in-debian/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">jonathancarter.org/2024/08/29/</span><span class="invisible">orphaning-bcachefs-tools-in-debian/</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://geekdom.social/@bigolifacks" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>bigolifacks</span></a></span> and <em>that</em> makes it worse than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NSAbook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NSAbook</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Shitter</span></a> because those can at least be scraped, archived, exported and somewhat transfered.</p><ul><li>Whereas <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Discord</span></a> refuses to provide any method that is workable for doing so, as it combines the worst things of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Slack</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftTeams</span></a>, the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> or any big <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MailingList" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MailingList</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a> with 0 of their benefits.</li></ul><p>I'd rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHost</span></a> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@zulip" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>zulip</span></a></span>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a> with a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VoIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VoIP</span></a>-Bridge, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>nextcloud</span></a></span> + <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@collabora" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>collabora</span></a></span> than use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Discord</span></a> because those don't prevent one from sharing content or actually <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/archiving" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>archiving</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/exporting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>exporting</span></a> conversations. </p><ul><li>Thus Discord is <em>objectively evidenced</em> as <em>irredeemably bad</em> because it's worse than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ICQ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ICQ</span></a> - <em>even in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ToS</span></a></em>!</li></ul>

#LKML QOTD from @torvalds:

"'[…] no [#Linux] #kernel developer should spend one single second worrying about out-of-tree modules.

It's simply not a concern - never has been, and never will be.

Now, if some out-of-tree module is on the cusp of being integrated, and is out-of-tree just because it's not quite ready yet, that would maybe be then a case of "hey, wait a second".

But no. We are not going to start any kind of feature test macros for external modules […]'"

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