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Even #US Gov Says #AI Requires Massive Amounts of #Water
A new gov illuminates environmental impact of #generativeAI.
47-page analysis found cooling #datacenters -- which demand between 100-1000 megawatts of power--constitutes 40% of their #energy consumption, a figure expected to rise as global temperatures increase.
Water usage varies dramatically by location, with geography significantly affecting both water requirements and carbon #emissions.
404media.co/even-the-u-s-gover
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404 Media · Even the U.S. Government Says AI Requires Massive Amounts of WaterA new government illuminates the environmental impact of generative AI.

"Datacentres, vast warehouses containing networked servers used for the remote storage and processing of data, as well as by information technology companies to train AI models such as ChatGPT, use water for cooling. SourceMaterial’s analysis identified 38 active datacentres owned by the big three tech firms in parts of the world already facing water scarcity, as well as 24 more under development.

Datacentres’ locations are often industry secrets. But by using local news reports and industry sources Baxtel and Data Center Map, SourceMaterial compiled a map of 632 datacentres – either active or under development – owned by Amazon, Microsoft and Google.

It shows that those companies’ plans involve a 78% increase in the number of datacentres they own worldwide as cloud computing and AI cause a surge in the world’s demand for storage, with construction planned in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia."

theguardian.com/environment/20

The Guardian · Revealed: Big tech’s new datacentres will take water from the world’s driest areasBy Luke Barratt

New aerial surveillance footage obtained by the Southern #Environmental Law Center has found that Musk's #artificialIntelligence company, xAI, is using 35 #methane #gas generators to power its "Colossus" #supercomputer facility, the backbone of its flagship #Grok. That's 20 more generators than the 15 #xAI filed permits for, and 35 more than it was approved to use. #dataCenters #ai #musk #climate #law
futurism.com/elon-musk-memphis

Futurism · Elon Musk Reportedly Doing Something Horrid to Power His AI Data CenterBy Joe Wilkins

I was listening to an NPR radio discussion about the problems areas are having with new massive #DataCenters designed for #AI processing. The issues come down to water for cooling and incredibly amounts of power needed. I had an idea that may have been discussed already but it seemed new to me.

#NiagaraFalls. The #US and #Canada each setup a large area near the Falls to house the data centers. Mandate that this is where all AI will be processed. There is plenty of water. Each country will create a dedicated grid for their area that has its own turbines. The companies located at these areas will pay for the power and water.

This seems like it would be a good #ClimeteSolution. Of course not using AI would be the best option but that ship has sailed.

Problem solved?

Elon Musk está usando Generadores de Energía ilegales y contaminantes.

Una queja recurrente de las comunidades que sufren tener Centros de Datos cerca es el de los generadores. Vamos a explicar un poco porqué.

Cuando un Centro de Datos consigue la licencia, lleva consigo unos permisos de uso de energía y agua. Pero como con industrias que necesitan funcionar 24/7/365 siempre van a contar con sistemas de respaldo (backup).

Estos sistemas de respaldo funcionan en momentos de mayor demanda o si hay fallos de suministro. Por ejemplo, generadores de diesel. Estos cacharros hacen tremendo ruido, especialmente cuando van envejeciendo y producen contaminación directa.

En el caso de Musk, le pillaron con 35 generadores (20 más de lo asignado) para alimentar su #IA Grok. Estos cacharros emiten óxido nitroso, lo que contamina gravemente el aire y pone en riesgo la naturaleza y salud de les habitantes de Memphis.

“Nadie más debería estar enterrando a sus familias porque estas personas corruptas, ricas, blancas y racistas continúan construyendo proyectos que nos asfixian”, dijo Pearson, uno de los activistas. “Todo esto es prevenible. ”

theguardian.com/us-news/2025/a

futurism.com/elon-musk-memphis

The Guardian · Elon Musk’s xAI powering its facility in Memphis with ‘illegal’ generatorsBy Dara Kerr

"New aerial surveillance footage obtained by the Southern Environmental Law Center has found that Musk's artificial intelligence company, xAI, is using 35 methane gas generators to power its "Colossus" supercomputer facility, the backbone of its flagship Grok. That's 20 more generators than the 15 xAI filed permits for, and 35 more than it was approved to use.

The data center, nestled in historic south Memphis, came online last September, despite protests from community leaders. AI data centers are notoriously loud, and hog water and electricity like a mid-sized American city. Case in point, the local utility company, Memphis Light, Gas and Water (MLGW) estimates the Memphis facility will soon be sucking up one million gallons of water per day, as well as 150 megawatts of power, once it reaches its full power.

Though the MLGW says it's "executed four standard electric service agreements, one water service, and one gas service agreement" with xAI — totaling 50 megawatts of power — Musk says the facility needs much more due to rapid power fluctuations in his system of 10 to 20 megawatts at a time.

But getting approval for that kind of power is a slow and cautious process, according to Bloomberg, as rapid data center construction runs up against the limits of what civilian power grids can provide. Never one to wait for approval, Musk has chosen instead to exploit a loophole in local regulations, which seemingly allow him to park a fleet of toxic methane generators outside his facility as long as they don't sit in the same location for 364 days."

futurism.com/elon-musk-memphis

Futurism · Elon Musk Reportedly Doing Something Horrid to Power His AI Data CenterBy Joe Wilkins
#USA#Musk#xAI

Comme pour Marine, la loi, c'est pour les autres.
Malgré nos (trop rares) lois qui protègent les communes contre l'invasion des projets polluants, le gouvernement a décidé de simplifier l'implantation de data-centers, gourmands en énergie et voraces en eau.
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Du 8 au 11 avril, les député·es examineront en séance publique le projet de loi de « simplification de la vie économique ».

Cette loi fourre-tout, conçue sur mesure pour répondre aux demandes des industriels, contient notamment un article 15 qui permettrait à l’État d’imposer la construction d’immenses data centers aux collectivités locales et à la population.

Pour ne pas laisser les multinationales de la tech s’allier au gouvernement français pour alimenter cette fuite en avant délétère et écocide, La Quadrature du Net et le collectif Le Nuage était sous nos pieds, en lien avec les membres de la coalition Hiatus, appellent à la suppression de l'article 15 et à l’adoption d’un moratoire sur la construction des grands entrepôts à serveurs !

#DataCenters #GreenWashing

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Complicating matters, #tech companies are approaching multiple #power utility providers …seeking multiple bids for the same project, inflating power demand outlooks….

"What we're seeing is this huge proposed influx of these abstract projects that nobody knows anything about," Jon Gordon, a director at the *clean* #energy trade group, Advanced Energy United, whose members include clean power & large energy users like #DataCenters.

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@gerrymcgovern and as much as a "rate structure for data center-scale customers" sounds meaningful, how will it account for all the residential customers cooking up slop?

It isn't free.

Sounds like rate hikes are coming whether we use our own intellect or not. Thanks a heap co-intelligence.

urbanmilwaukee.com/2025/04/04/

Urban MilwaukeeNew Rates From We Energies Intended To Make Data Centers Cover Their CostsThe proposal comes as several energy-intensive data centers are planned within We Energies’ service territory