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contrapunctus ✊🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️<a class="u-url mention" href="https://chaosfem.tw/@november" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@november</a> I use <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/xmpp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> as my sole chat and call medium, and find it pretty good. (I don’t use centralized/proprietary/unsustainable/NIH services like <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/whatsapp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a>, <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telegram</a>, <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/discord" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Discord</a>, <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/signal" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a>, <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/threema" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Threema</a>, <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a>, etc)It’s often the case that people with the worst impression of XMPP used it ages ago, and did so with some terrible clients (Pidgin, Thunderbird)…I’ve written a guide that helps new users stick to the best clients and servers of the ecosystem, and avoid the underdeveloped parts. Perhaps it could help you?<a href="https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">The Quick and Easy Guide to Jabber/XMPP</a>(Either way, I’d love to hear about recent experiences and pain points in using XMPP. I don’t doubt there’s a lot to be improved.)

sb arms & legsToday is a GREAT day to begin your <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/selfhosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#selfhosting</a> journey, if you haven't already!Tired of paying billionaires to make life on earth worse for everyone, in exchange for a few trinkets and a load of hostility?You can replace:- <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/spotify" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#spotify</a> -> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/navidrome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#navidrome</a> - <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/youtube" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#youtube</a> -> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/peertube" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#peertube</a> - <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/netflix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#netflix</a> etc -> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/jellyfin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#jellyfin</a> - <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/gsuite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#gsuite</a> -> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#nextcloud</a> - <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#google</a> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/bing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bing</a> etc -> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/SearxNG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SearxNG</a> - <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a> etc -> <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> - and so much more! Any steps you take to reduce your interactions with

Daniel Gultsch<a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> spent a decade turning the problem of worrying about which extensions your server supports into worrying about which room version your server supports. Meanwhile, the <a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> community got their act together, reached a rough consensus on which extensions are worth pursuing, and now you can install any of the four major servers without having to worry about what extensions are working behind the scenes.

Daniel GultschThe <a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/Conversations_im" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Conversations_im</a> release that was rejected yesterday is now live on the Google Play beta channel.A late addition to the 2.19.0-beta release is message moderation for public channels, giving moderators the ability to delete spam messages.<a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Jabber</a>

Carl O.S. ©Estado del servidor XMPP: 100% de cumplimiento según prueba de conversations (<a href="https://compliance.conversations.im" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://compliance.conversations.im</a>).Además tiene webchat habilitado y bridge para whatsapp.<a href="https://lile.cl/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/nx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#nx</a>

sb arms & legsY'all messin' with <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a>?

XSF: XMPP Standards FoundationThe <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> Newsletter for June 2025 is out!Read about the latest XMPP universe updates and updates on our <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/standards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#standards</a>! <a href="https://xmpp.org/2025/07/the-xmpp-newsletter-june-2025/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://xmpp.org/2025/07/the-xmpp-newsletter-june-2025/</a>Enjoy reading! 📰 ☕ :xmpp: <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#jabber</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#chat</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/interoperability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#interoperability</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#rtc</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#decentralization</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/federation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#federation</a>

Carl O.S. ©Conversations, Cheogram y Monocles Chat están disponibles la G Play solo mediante pago. No sé si habrán otras aplicaciones que estén a la altura y sean de descarga gratuita allí. ¿Conocen alguna?<a href="https://lile.cl/tags/ConversationsIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ConversationsIM</a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/Cheogram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Cheogram</a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/MonoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonoclesChat</a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>

Carl O.S. ©Me he dado cuenta de que existe una gran barrera para intentar promover la adopción de XMPP: Las principales y mejores apps para android que he probado son de pago en la playa store. Las versiones gratuitas están disponibles via F-Droid. <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Android</a> <a href="https://lile.cl/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FDroid</a>

Strypey"But under the hood, the <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> protocol doesn’t use full mentions at all. Instead, it uses actor IDs."The actor ID for my main account is <a href="https://mastodon.social/users/crepels" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://mastodon.social/users/crepels</a>. In my case, there is a direct translation between the full mention and the actor ID, but that doesn’t have to be the case."<a href="https://mastodon.social/@crepels" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@crepels</a>, 2023<a href="https://seb.jambor.dev/posts/understanding-activitypub/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://seb.jambor.dev/posts/understanding-activitypub/</a>Intriguing. So in theory, the Actor ID for a fediverse account could also be represented in an app as @username@email.service or @username@xmpp.service 🤔<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/AP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AP</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@OhMyGod" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@OhMyGod</a> Remember: ANY "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#KYC</a>" in terms of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Messenger</a>| <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Apps</a> IS the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IllicitActivity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IllicitActivity</a>!Regardless if <a href="https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@matrix</a> or <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> , the sheer request, demand or coercion onto <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PII</a> like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PhoneNumber</a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#eMail</a>-Address is bad.<ul><li>If providers like <a href="https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mullvadnet</a> can do a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#VPN</a> without any PII and can offer their Service via <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@torproject</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Tor</a> and host their Website as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OnionService</a>, then there's no good reason for others not to do the same.</li></ul>Personally, I'll recommend to switch to some real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#E2EE</a> with good <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SelfHosting</a> options like <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> [which uses <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME) or <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a> (which is based upon <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> and who do host their own servers which are user-financed and can be paid for 100% anonymously.<a href="https://social.bund.de/@bfdi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bfdi</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@netzpolitik_feed" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@netzpolitik_feed</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@ccc" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ccc</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/@heiseonline" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@heiseonline</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.de/@empathicqubit" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@empathicqubit</a> Good question. I'd recommend you to check <a href="https://mastodon.de/@empathicqubit/114789217302254687" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">this</a> with <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> developers.Personally, I run all my <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> through <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@torproject</a> /#Tor anyway, so my battery runtime is pretty garbage...<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Monocles</a> does - AFAICT - allow to configure <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/notifications" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#notifications</a> but since it's basically always connected that makes not much of a difference for battery runtim. Tho you can set it to if, when and how it notifies you.

EmpathicQubitFor those that run an <a href="https://mastodon.de/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> server, does it seem safe enough to enable XEP-0357 if one is concerned about third party data leaks to push notification services? Is <a href="https://mastodon.de/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> enough to nullify concerns? I'm using <a href="https://mastodon.de/tags/Monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Monocles</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.de/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prosody</a> and I'm trying to optimize battery usage on <a href="https://mastodon.de/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Android</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.de/tags/LineageOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LineageOS</a>Edit: Daniel Gultsch of Conversations.im <a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel/114789652164812907" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">answered my questions</a> Thanks!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Funfact" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Funfact</a>: Good messengers never stopped that (i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> [<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gajim</a> & <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a>] & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IRC</a> [ <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/QuasselIRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#QuasselIRC</a>])…<ul><li>Not shure if <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> can do it, but <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@RocketChat" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@RocketChat</a> and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@zulip" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@zulip</a> certainly do allow eben custom status messages!</li></ul>

Dusty<a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> I didn't stop to appreciate the Statuses which were available for use in <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>

ren<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Tutanota</a> Time for <a href="https://monocles.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>

Dusty<a href="https://gladtech.social/@avoca" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@avoca</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Deltachat</a> feels Alpha quality to me, *once you stray off the path of plain old 1:1 encrypted text messages, with possible file attachments, including voice memos* - which Deltachat is brilliant at (uniform clients on all supported platforms is greatly appreciated). The <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> world is more "Beta-quality" feeling to me - is the lesser of evils for those geeky types who can manage its quirky landscape, and still feel like they're having fun.*The devil is in the details* for all these ecosystems: XMPP, <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a>, and Deltachat.If you want something to "just work", I say use <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> and refrain from complaining about its centralized nature. At least something "just works" today in this domain (end-to-end encrypted instant messaging, which is also reasonably private), which is reliable and trustworthy *for now*.

Dusty<a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> I've been using <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> for the last year or so, wondering if the halcyon ICQ days of yore are still to be had.After testing it with several friends connecting to my own self-hosted <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prosody</a> server, here's what I found:- Yes it all works, on all XMPP clients. But MacOS/iPadOS/iOS clients are not all that mature at this time. The <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> (<a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gajim</a>, despite no video or audio calls) and <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Android</a> (<a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Conversations</a>) XMPP clients are the best, IMHO. Always favor those, I say, and they are confidently installable and reliable today. - Yes, use OMEMO encryption on personal chats. But when it comes to group chats, OMEMO is not necessarily the right move. - If you don't need privacy in an XMPP group, then don't create a private group, but rather a _public_ group (the safer choice for reliability of message delivery). No OMEMO is possible in a public group, and the messages propagating around will be reliable, even to clients who vanish and re-appear after prolonged absences. - If you really need OMEMO encryption in a group chat, create a _private_ group, not a public group. **Clients who vanish from the group for prolonged periods may miss out on some of the messages when they return (say, a few weeks later)**. - I kept a wiki with several more quirks noted, which came up, and felt confusing and frustrating to my (non-geek) friends using XMPP.As to your Apple-ecosystem-confined friends, at this moment in time, maybe talk to them 1:1 in <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Fluffychat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fluffychat</a>/Matrix, which affords encryption, and is all <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a>, like everything above. (Groups in <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> have a track record of failing for everybody in them very badly every 2 or 3 years or so.)

sb arms & legs<a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> <a href="https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@reidrac" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@reidrac</a> Thanks to this thread I've spent all afternoon setting up and playing with the <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> server, <a href="https://metroholografix.ca/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#prosody</a>.I got to set my status as AFK for the first time in 20+ years!Thank you.

CodimpPetit rappel que si vous voulez rejoindre un salon de discussion sympa sur XMPP pour parler de tout, papoter de vos centres d'intérêts, etc, j'ai créé ce salon où nous sommes déjà une trentaine : fediverse@conf.lithio.fr Rejoignez-nous ! <a class="hashtag" href="https://social.lithio.fr/tag/xmpp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>

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