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Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@IndieGoblin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>IndieGoblin</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://starlite.rodeo/@RobotDiver" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RobotDiver</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@RegGuy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RegGuy</span></a></span></p><p>Robot Diver:</p><p>would you admit that <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a> from <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/maga" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maga</span></a> or internationally lies and falsely depicts <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/AOC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AOC</span></a>'s record to suppress the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a>?</p><p>if you do, please don't buy that manipulation anymore</p><p>most importantly:</p><p>there is a metric shitton of that lying psyop on AOC coming</p><p>absolutely nobody thinks AOC is perfect</p><p>there is no hero worship here, that's what maga morons do</p><p>understand the game of lies to elicit <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicIdealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicIdealism</span></a> to suppress the vote</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@CStamp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>CStamp</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://starlite.rodeo/@RobotDiver" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RobotDiver</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@RegGuy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RegGuy</span></a></span> </p><p>a lot of the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicIdealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicIdealism</span></a> you see on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mastodon</span></a> in terms of "they're not perfect, so don't <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a>" is the same as a russian <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/troll" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>troll</span></a> putting an american flag on their <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/twitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>twitter</span></a> handle and goosing <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/kremlin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>kremlin</span></a> narratives targeting <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/maga" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maga</span></a></p><p>fake <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/leftists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>leftists</span></a> on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fediverse</span></a> with lazy easy <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a> bonafides to do their <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a></p><p>they do it, because it unfortunately works</p><p>toxic idealism is a real problem with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/leftist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>leftist</span></a> rhetoric</p><p>they suppress the left vote and we get <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a></p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://starlite.rodeo/@RobotDiver" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RobotDiver</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@RegGuy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RegGuy</span></a></span> </p><p>i don't really give a shit about these "they're not perfect" takes</p><p>you can find dirt on anyone</p><p>overall, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/aoc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>aoc</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bernieSanders" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bernieSanders</span></a> are way better than any other credible challenge, and that's what matters</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicIdealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicIdealism</span></a> is a problem in this world</p><p>do not fall for it</p><p>and plenty of it is just a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/socialMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>socialMedia</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a> by <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/maga" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maga</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a> to incapacitate your <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a></p><p>do not fall for it!</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>inthehands</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@StillIRise1963" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>StillIRise1963</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.io/@tarheel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tarheel</span></a></span></p><p>why i'm posting this now</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/midterms2026" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>midterms2026</span></a> means enough <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/democrats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>democrats</span></a> to stonewall <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a></p><p>but as the time draws near you will hear the same old whiny lies:</p><p>"both sides the same"</p><p>"corruption is everything"</p><p>"nothing matters"</p><p>"waah waah"</p><p>some of it is real <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a></p><p>some of it is <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a></p><p>advertising their fake <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/leftist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>leftist</span></a> bonafides, like an american flag profile on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/twitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>twitter</span></a> injecting a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/maga" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maga</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/kremlin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>kremlin</span></a> agenda</p><p>people fall for it</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p>last year i had heated arguments with nonvoters</p><p>putting aside <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a> accounts working a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a>, some of them were real (that's why they work this psyop: <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> is real)</p><p>the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/democrats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>democrats</span></a> suck</p><p>but the choice matters</p><p>you *build* on it</p><p>you iterate</p><p>you don't expect perfect, then pout when you don't get it</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Midterms2026" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Midterms2026</span></a>:</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a>, motherfuckers</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.seattle.wa.us/@ohmu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ohmu</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://beige.party/@Kierkegaanks" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Kierkegaanks</span></a></span> </p><p>some <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/nonvoters" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>nonvoters</span></a> are <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/rightWing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>rightWing</span></a> turds too</p><p>we see the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicIdealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicIdealism</span></a> on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a>, the "it's not perfect so i won't <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a>" because we're on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mastodon</span></a> and in other social silos on the left, which amplifies our impression</p><p>still, it's a lot of people like that, enough to make a difference</p><p>which is why some of these toxic idealism voices we see are just <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollFarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollFarm</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a>, cosplaying their fake <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/leftWing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>leftWing</span></a> bonafides and working hard to suppress the vote on the left</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://beige.party/@RickiTarr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RickiTarr</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Midterms2026" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Midterms2026</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Midterms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Midterms</span></a> </p><p>Whiny voices soon on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mastodon</span></a>:</p><p>"both sides the same"</p><p>"i oddly focus on only one issue where <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Democrats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Democrats</span></a> aren't perfect"</p><p>"nothing matters, all is <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/corruption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>corruption</span></a>"</p><p>and other <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicIdealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicIdealism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a></p><p>these are not organic voices</p><p>they will trumpet their <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/leftism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>leftism</span></a> bonafides like Russian <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trolls" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trolls</span></a> on Twitter with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MAGA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAGA</span></a> flags but they are <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/agentProvocateur" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>agentProvocateur</span></a> divide and conquer</p><p>don't get me wrong:</p><p>yes, the Democrats suck</p><p>but if you don't see the choice?</p><p>oof 🤦 </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Vote</span></a></p>
Charo del Genio<p>New paper out.</p><p>What happens when you make a model that includes realistic details about how people discuss ideas and decide how to act upon them? The answer is that with just 3 such elements of realism, one can mathematically explain the emergence of commonly observed situations, such as reaching a consensus and exchanging opinions, but also the separation of ideologies and the appearance of stable polarization. Not only this, but one can also account for phenomena such as peer pressure, cognitive dissonance, tactical voting and toxic idealism ( <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@benroyce" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>benroyce</span></a></span> I told you I was going to do it 😀 ) and prove how they affect the final state of the system.</p><p><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960077924015352" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">sciencedirect.com/science/arti</span><span class="invisible">cle/pii/S0960077924015352</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/physics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>physics</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/mathematics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mathematics</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/networks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>networks</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/bifurcations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bifurcations</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/opiniondynamics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opiniondynamics</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/consensus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>consensus</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/polarization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>polarization</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/voting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>voting</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/peerpressure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>peerpressure</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/cognitivedissonance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>cognitivedissonance</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/tacticalvoting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tacticalvoting</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a></p>
mmalc<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@benroyce" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>benroyce</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@cherylgk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cherylgk</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://med-mastodon.com/@mloxton" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mloxton</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@chrispomeroyhale" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>chrispomeroyhale</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.ca/@the5thColumnist" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>the5thColumnist</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@KathyLK" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>KathyLK</span></a></span> </p><p>Further to:<br><a href="https://mastodon.social/@mmalc/113772917632059898" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">mastodon.social/@mmalc/1137729</span><span class="invisible">17632059898</span></a></p><p>"She lost the most ground in deep-Blue urban areas, where the dangers of a second Trump administration seemed most remote.”</p><p>I suspect the “deep-Blue urban areas” are where there's a greater percentage of holier-than-thous who are precisely the sort of people who'd adopt <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ToxicIdealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ToxicIdealism</span></a> before sensible pragmatism.</p><p>Re: <a href="https://www.weekendreading.net/p/how-trump-won" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">weekendreading.net/p/how-trump</span><span class="invisible">-won</span></a></p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@cherylgk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cherylgk</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://med-mastodon.com/@mloxton" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mloxton</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@chrispomeroyhale" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>chrispomeroyhale</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.ca/@the5thColumnist" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>the5thColumnist</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@KathyLK" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>KathyLK</span></a></span></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a> is as bad a phenomenon as <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MAGA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAGA</span></a> on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/right" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>right</span></a> </p><p>and equally prone to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/manipulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>manipulation</span></a> by <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a></p><p>with MAGA the manipulation is to champion <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bigotry" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bigotry</span></a> and make the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bigot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bigot</span></a> feel safe</p><p>with the left the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a> game is to demand absolute <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ideological" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ideological</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/purity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>purity</span></a> in high holy fire and brimstone fury, and use that emotional high to detach, alienate, not <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a></p><p>and lose</p><p>in reality</p><p>which is what matters</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.ca/@the5thColumnist" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>the5thColumnist</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://med-mastodon.com/@mloxton" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mloxton</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@KathyLK" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>KathyLK</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a> wants <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>israel</span></a> to "finish the problem" in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a> while <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/biden" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>biden</span></a> started withholding arms at one point because of the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/genocide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>genocide</span></a></p><p>both the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/democrats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>democrats</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/republicans" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>republicans</span></a> suck</p><p>but one is better, and one is worse</p><p>if you hew to the standard of perfect and don't <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a> or vote 3rd party, you help get us worse</p><p>i don't like that. but that is reality</p><p>you *never* get perfect as a choice</p><p>you must choose better, and *iterate*</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> is self-destruction</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@KathyLK" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>KathyLK</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mindly.social/@madrobin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>madrobin</span></a></span> </p><p>i like your post, however:</p><p>"I don't know any <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/idealistic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>idealistic</span></a> left non-voters"</p><p>oof</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> is a huge huge problem with people who don't <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a> on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a> </p><p>so much so that <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a> target this unfortunate character aspect just as much as they target <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MAGA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAGA</span></a> with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bigotry" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bigotry</span></a></p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ohunt" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ohunt</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@KathyLK" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>KathyLK</span></a></span> </p><p>yup</p><p>for many, a personal sense of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ideological" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ideological</span></a> purity is more important than effective, imperfect, change</p><p>their hearts are in the right place, but their minds are AWOL</p><p>they can't bring themselves to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a> for someone who they sense is impure</p><p>the effect is the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/right" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>right</span></a> grows stronger</p><p>i don't know how to tell people on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a> that:</p><p>they aren't abandoning their principles, they are recognizing that strategy matters to get positive change in this world</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a></p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@obscurestar" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>obscurestar</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@KathyLK" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>KathyLK</span></a></span> </p><p>the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/right" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>right</span></a> hacks many <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psychological" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psychological</span></a> weaknesses</p><p>blame shifting is a big one</p><p>it's unfortunate many on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a> also fall for the trick</p><p>out of some misguided sense of anger on the ideologically impure, while the outright malicious are met with silence</p><p>the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/political" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>political</span></a> effect is obvious and real and strong, and they don't know or care</p><p>the left really needs to come to grips with the fact that constant <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ideological" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ideological</span></a> purity inquisitions kills the left</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a></p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@obscurestar" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>obscurestar</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@RonSupportsYou" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RonSupportsYou</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.seahousen.eu/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> </p><p>i'm not trying to shame</p><p>i'm doing withering condemnation, zero appeals</p><p>in my view, if <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/harris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>harris</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/biden" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>biden</span></a> did the impossible and changed <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>israel</span></a>'s policies and actions, the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> gang would merely move the goalposts and invented some other reason not to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a></p><p>their real concern is not <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a></p><p>their real concern is making excuses to abrogate <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/socialresponsibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>socialresponsibility</span></a></p><p>they are useless entitled dead weight</p><p>they aren't even on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/left" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>left</span></a></p><p>they're cosplayers</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@RonSupportsYou" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RonSupportsYou</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@BenAveling" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>BenAveling</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.seahousen.eu/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> </p><p>holy shit</p><p>you dropped the mask and openly defended <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a> by assuming some sort of good intentions on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a> from that orange asshole</p><p>everyone:</p><p>look and see the real motivation behind the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/troll" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>troll</span></a> angle here ^^^^^^</p><p>screenshot for when you backtrack and delete after you realize you dropped your troll mask:</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@RonSupportsYou" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RonSupportsYou</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@BenAveling" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>BenAveling</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.seahousen.eu/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> </p><p>but <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/harris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>harris</span></a> *did* speak forcefully on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a>:</p><p><a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/12/02/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-on-the-conflict-between-israel-and-hamas/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/s</span><span class="invisible">peeches-remarks/2023/12/02/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-on-the-conflict-between-israel-and-hamas/</span></a></p><p>but it's never enough for impotent, fragile <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a></p><p>your error is you assume you are dealing with rational people</p><p>you are not</p><p>you are dealing with people whose job #1 is to make an excuse to not participate</p><p>they will do this forever, always moving the goalpost</p><p>their idiotic, self-destructive "goal" is holy perfection, now, or they excuse themselves from social responsibility</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@RonSupportsYou" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RonSupportsYou</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.seahousen.eu/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> </p><p>100% disagree</p><p>you can't work with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a></p><p>either you are dealing with someone who understands social <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/responsibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>responsibility</span></a></p><p>or you are dealing with an entitled fool who just keeps moving the goalpost</p><p>there is always some other issue they can whine about to excuse themselves</p><p>in truth they don't even care about <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a></p><p>they care about making excuses to detach themselves from a broken world</p><p>unfortunately, they live in reality</p><p>they will feel the effects of their impotency</p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@BenAveling" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>BenAveling</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@RonSupportsYou" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RonSupportsYou</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.seahousen.eu/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> </p><p>this is true for the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GOP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GOP</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/geopolitical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>geopolitical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psyop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>psyop</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trollfarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trollfarm</span></a> who pushed the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a> angle- the malice that you refer to</p><p>they amplified the "<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/harris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>harris</span></a> doesn't speak forcefully enough on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a>, so don't <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a>"</p><p>they understood the true effect: <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a> wins</p><p>and they laugh all the way to the bank, because, unfortunately, these entitled, privileged morons who feel they can afford to not vote are real <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/americans" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>americans</span></a>, as stupid and as easy to manipulate as <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MAGA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAGA</span></a></p>
Ben Royce 🇺🇦<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.seahousen.eu/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@RonSupportsYou" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RonSupportsYou</span></a></span></p><p>the question for those who didn't <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/vote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vote</span></a> over <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a> is simple:</p><p>which candidate had a better chance of *moving in the direction* of reigning in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>israel</span></a></p><p>but for simpleton <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/toxicidealism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toxicidealism</span></a>, the only thought is "give me perfect! now!"</p><p>which they will never get, in any universe</p><p>this impotent attitude helped give us <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a>- they didn't vote</p><p>so their *intention* is good but their *action* hurt their own cause</p><p>nevermind all the other issues that should matter to them, as you say</p>