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Erik Nygren :verified:AAAARGH! I'm not at all surprised, but NIST's excellent whitepaper on Inclusive Language (NIST.IR.8366) has been withdrawn:<a href="https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2021/NIST.IR.8366.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2021/NIST.IR.8366.pdf</a>This was an excellent resource that I reference all the time. I feared it would go away so I made a snapshot a few weeks back that I uploaded here: <a href="https://nygren.org/archived/NIST.IR.8366.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://nygren.org/archived/NIST.IR.8366.pdf</a><a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a>

Renata 🌈 Autistic Translator🧠 Building a mental health app? How do you include marginalized people? Find out! <a href="https://renatafernandestranslation.com/2025/02/03/discover-new-users-with-inclusive-language-in-your-app/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://renatafernandestranslation.com/2025/02/03/discover-new-users-with-inclusive-language-in-your-app/</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/MobileApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MobileApp</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/IOSdev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IOSdev</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/AndroidDev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AndroidDev</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/AppLocalization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AppLocalization</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/Localization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Localization</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/l10n" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#l10n</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/FirstPersonLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FirstPersonLanguage</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/ActuallyAutistic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActuallyAutistic</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/Neurodivergent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Neurodivergent</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#App</a>

CCochardDecolonising language : master-slaveI recall being told about a better phrase to use than master-slave for dependencies, but I can't recall what it was. Google isn't helping. Any ressources?<a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/decolonisation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#decolonisation</a> <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/inclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/inclusive" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inclusive</a>

Karen Yin<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ICYMI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ICYMI</a>: The July edition of The <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ConsciousLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ConsciousLanguage</a> Newsletter includes: • Why We Shouldn’t Call Trump a “Criminal” • Stop Saying “Conservative” When You Mean Fascist • Words Such as Racist Slurs Can Literally Hurt—Here’s the Science✅ Read and subscribe: <a href="https://mail.consciousstyleguide.com/p/conscious-language-newsletter-july-2024" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://mail.consciousstyleguide.com/p/conscious-language-newsletter-july-2024</a><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/AmEditing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AmEditing</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Copyediting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Copyediting</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Copyeditors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Copyeditors</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/WritingCommunity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WritingCommunity</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ConsciousStyleGuide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ConsciousStyleGuide</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ConsciousStyle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ConsciousStyle</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ConsciousLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ConsciousLanguage</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Newsletter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Newsletter</a>

Linguist Gone Foreign 🌏I'm getting more and more irritated by the usage of "you guys" to address people - which is unfortunate, because I hear it a thousand times per day, Whatever happened to:"Y'all" "You folks" "You people" "You peeps" "You fellows" ?I sense an illustrated article coming up. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Language</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LanguageMatters" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LanguageMatters</a>

SoNotNic 🐍🐉🐈My friend Eliot West is an independent editor and educator whose work is informed by a background in literary studies and deep interests in inclusive language, gender diversity, human sexuality, consent, and trauma and healing. I can’t imagine taking on a writing task without their help.Eliot is also offering an online asynchronous, on-demand, text-based 15-week course on inclusive language!<a href="https://heartofthestory.teachable.com/p/inclusive-language-explorations" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://heartofthestory.teachable.com/p/inclusive-language-explorations</a><a href="https://mas.to/tags/inclusivelanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inclusivelanguage</a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/inclusion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inclusion</a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/diversity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#diversity</a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/consent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#consent</a>

Sylke KrämerDas Englische geht einen völlig anderen Weg als das Deutsche, was Geschlechtergerechtigkeit in der Sprache angeht, einer, der viel, viel leichter zu handhaben ist. Das liegt zum einen auch an der unterschiedlichen Grammatik der Sprachen, aber trotzdem sollte man die derzeitige deutsche Methode vielleicht doch noch einmal überdenken. Hier wird’s erklärt: <a href="https://www.bpb.de/shop/zeitschriften/apuz/geschlechtergerechte-sprache-2022/346079/they-gendern-auf-englisch/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.bpb.de/shop/zeitschriften/apuz/geschlechtergerechte-sprache-2022/346079/they-gendern-auf-englisch/</a><a href="https://c.im/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Sprache" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Sprache</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/gendern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gendern</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/inclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inclusiveLanguage</a>

uhlissuhThis webinar just used the phrase ‘sexual debut’ instead of ‘loss of virginity’ and I will absolutely be using that moving forward.<a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a>

Mel CampbellOne thing I still find myself getting pedantic about, and editing out when I see it, is 'they' used for organisations. I particularly hate it when used for corporations: "Coles said they are now giving out free apples too."I wonder if people intuitively think of institutions and organisations as indefinite in a sinister, even conspiratorial sense: "They're watching you." As my cooker brother likes to say, a conspiracy always involves a group of "one or more people". It is plural!However, I have been using 'they' myself throughout this thread to refer to the various style guides, because I reason that any style guide is a collaborative production so 'they' is the editorial team.My general rule is that organisations should be treated as singular, not plural, unless a consensus action or decision is implied. Politically, I prefer to emphasise that a corporation acts as a singular entity, but is not a person. So it should not get to shelter under the singular they. There's a perfectly good pronoun for nonhuman singular agents:"Coles said it is now giving out free apples too."But: "The Coles board have approved the free apple scheme."Animals are a tricky case because we get so anthropomorphic about them, but if the sex or gender of an animal is unknown I reckon you can also use 'it':"As I picked up the baby chick to determine its sex, it made adorable cheeping noises."<a href="https://aus.social/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/they" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#they</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/SingularThey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingularThey</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Writing</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Editing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Editing</a>

Mel CampbellBut the reflexive pronoun poses a challenge. Some people prefer 'themself' as a singular option, because 'themselves' just _feels_ too plural.<a href="https://aus.social/tags/ChicagoManualOfStyle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ChicagoManualOfStyle</a> prefers 'themself' but allows 'themselves'. The AU Govt <a href="https://aus.social/tags/StyleManual" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#StyleManual</a> prefers 'themselves' but allows 'themself'.<a href="https://aus.social/tags/APA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#APA</a> says, "Both 'themselves' and 'themself' are acceptable as reflexive singular pronouns; however, 'themselves' is currently the more common usage."One big challenge of gender-neutral writing is getting used to the roll between singular and plural when the sentence uses someone's name and then their pronoun. This isn't intuitively 'good grammar' for many people.I am okay with the shift between "Ali wants a free apple and they want to find their keys" but I kind of struggle with 'themself', which I know some people find more safely singular.I'd rather use 'themselves', which I think most people instinctively reach for in colloquial settings when the subject is unknown. I used the following example in a Facebook writers' group, where it was greeted with mirth: "Smells like someone shat themselves." <a href="https://aus.social/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/they" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#they</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/SingularThey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingularThey</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Writing</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Editing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Editing</a>

Mel Campbell<a href="https://aus.social/tags/APStyle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#APStyle</a> prefers replacing a nonbinary person's pronoun with their name, and to mention in the story that they use gender-neutral pronouns.<a href="https://aus.social/tags/APA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#APA</a> embraces the singular they: "because it is inclusive of all people and helps writers avoid making assumptions about gender. Although usage of the singular 'they' was once discouraged in academic writing, many advocacy groups and publishers have accepted and endorsed it, including Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary."<a href="https://aus.social/tags/ChicagoManualOfStyle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ChicagoManualOfStyle</a> recommended the singular they in its 14th edition but then got cold feet and rescinded the recommendation in the 15th and 16th editions, but lol, the 17th edition is okay with it, but in 'formal writing' they recommend avoiding it through the following strategies:– omit pronoun– repeat the noun, as AP recommends (though they do say, "Take care not to overuse this technique." LOL)– use plurals or the imperative mood, as AU Govt Style recommends– use an article instead of a pronoun (e.g. 'the application' instead of 'their application')– use the pronoun 'one'. But weirdly their example doesn't use it the way I would, e.g. "One must always be careful." <a href="https://aus.social/tags/CMOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CMOS</a> is like, "An actor in New York earns more than one in Paducah."CMOS also notes that the singular they is more accepted in UK usage than US usage.<a href="https://aus.social/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/they" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#they</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/SingularThey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingularThey</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Writing</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Editing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Editing</a>

Mel CampbellHere's what some major style guides say:The Australian Government <a href="https://aus.social/tags/StyleManual" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#StyleManual</a> strongly favours the singular they: "Our use of language reflects changes in society. There is wide agreement about using language to support equality between all genders."Because users of AU Govt Style are often working with institutional or bureaucratic text, they recommend: – rephrasing in the second person with an instructional tone: "You must provide copies of your application to your referees."– using plural pronouns: "Candidates must provide copies of their applications to their referees."– avoiding pronouns altogether: "Every candidate must provide copies of the application to referees."As an aside, I am not really a fan of AU Govt Style's preference to hyphenate 'gender-fluid', 'gender-queer' and 'non-binary'. I prefer to run them together: genderfluid; genderqueer; nonbinary.<a href="https://aus.social/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/they" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#they</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/SingularThey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingularThey</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Writing</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Editing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Editing</a>

Mel CampbellRe: my previously boosted tweet about the nongendered singular 'they' in English: what convinced me that this is legitimate in formal writing contexts is that it just flows better in a sentence than clunky binary constructs like 'he or she' and 'himself or herself' or the more awkward '(s)he' and 's/he'.We still conjugate the singular 'they' with plural verbs. It's what we instinctively reach for with an indefinite pronoun (someone, anyone, everyone), or when a sentence agent is unknown:"Free apples: anyone can take one if they want.""Someone lost their keys.""Ali dropped their keys as they were picking up a free apple."<a href="https://aus.social/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#language</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/they" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#they</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/SingularThey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingularThey</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Writing</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Editing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Editing</a>

Orla H. :ablobcatcoffee:New server, new <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/introduction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#introduction</a>? I'm Orla, your garden-variety middle-aged enby queerdo. I live on the west coast of Ireland with two <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Cats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Cats</a> and too many <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/MechanicalKeyboards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MechanicalKeyboards</a>. I'm interested in <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Linguistics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linguistics</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Videogames" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Videogames</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/ContentModeration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ContentModeration</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/InclusiveLanguage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InclusiveLanguage</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Drag" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Drag</a> (especially <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Dragula" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dragula</a>) <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Horror" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Horror</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/SciFi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SciFi</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Books</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Coffee" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Coffee</a> and <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/Art" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Art</a> I also ❤️ <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/TankGirl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TankGirl</a> and here's a blog post explaining why: <a href="https://orlawritesthings.com/2014/04/02/tank-girl-me/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://orlawritesthings.com/2014/04/02/tank-girl-me/</a> Cat tax attached.

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