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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://aus.social/@FerdiMagellan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@FerdiMagellan</a> <a href="https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jwildeboer</a> <a href="https://furry.engineer/@soatok" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@soatok</a> I use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a>, more specifically, <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monclesChat</a> & <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gajim</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a>!<a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/chat.app/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/chat.app/</a><ul><li>Another option that may be interesting if you are a business/org & need archival support (and have existing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eMail</a> infrastructure) is <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a>, which is easy to bring into <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/compliance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#compliance</a> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HGD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HGD</a> and similar <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Archival" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Archival</a> mandates for professional/business comms.</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://troet.cafe/@pixelschubsi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@pixelschubsi</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@rufposten" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rufposten</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@accrescent" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@accrescent</a> <a href="https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@GrapheneOS</a> oder garnicht erst anzufragen und zu erheben.<ul><li>So macht es <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monocles</a> indem diese quasi nix speichern (außer wann wie welches Konto bezahlt wurde, weil <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HGB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HGB</a>; aber auch das bedeutet nur dass dort steut <code>$Datum bezahlt x € für $Account mit $Bezahlmethode</code> ...</li></ul>Nicht mehr...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> also the whole "BuT <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mEtAdAtA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mEtAdAtA</a>?" Discussion is completely blown out of proportions by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> fanboys.<ul><li>Whereas <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> are truly <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#decentralized</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MultiVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MultiProvider</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenStandards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenStandards</a> that allow for full <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a> off all the keys and comms.</li></ul>In fact, I'm convinced someone already made a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/delta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#delta</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/server" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#server</a> as an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OnionService</a> over <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@torproject</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tor</a> just for the lulz.<ul><li>The biggest Advantage for Delta Chat is that it doesn't require yet another server but instead just uses <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMTP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMTP</a> and can even be integrated in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/corporate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#corporate</a> communications that require <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/archival" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#archival</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/indexing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#indexing</a> by merely feeding the private keys to said <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eMail</a> archival software [i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/benno" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#benno</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MailArchiv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MailArchiv</a>], which makes it possible to comply with regulations like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HGB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HGB</a> where applicable.</li></ul>Not that this is something the average user encounters, but it is a big bonus for larger organizations!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://muenster.im/@heinsc" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@heinsc</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nakal" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@nakal</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> was z.B. eib Vorteil ist wenn <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#E2EE</a>-verschlüsselte <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Kommunikation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Kommunikation</a> in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Unternehmen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Unternehmen</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a>-konfirm <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/archiviert" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#archiviert</a> werden muss...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://bewegung.social/@lobbycontrol" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lobbycontrol</a> senken wir die Grenze auf €0 und verlangen Echtzeit-Reporting!<ul><li>So alla <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HGB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HGB</a> mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Kassensystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Kassensystem</a>, nur öffnetlich einsehbar!!!</li></ul><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113928828965261929" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113928828965261929</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://d-64.social/@LinHead" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@LinHead</a> IMHO sollte es auch verboten sein, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Spenden" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Spenden</a> zu <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/verschleiern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#verschleiern</a> und alle <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Spenden" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Spenden</a> müssten vgl. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> in Echtzeit irreversibel geloggt werden!

Kevin Karhan :verified:Ja, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> gilt auch für <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Landwirte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Landwirte</a>! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Qesur7iMo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Qesur7iMo</a><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PechGehabt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PechGehabt</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://toot.io/@methuselah" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@methuselah</a> <a href="https://social.glitched.systems/@froge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@froge</a> precisely...<ul><li>Same with like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a>: They run even on really old systems barely siphoning resources... </li></ul>To me <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> feels really undercooked and half-baked compared even to shitshows like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slack</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a>... <ul><li>Whereas <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zulip</a> has proven itself as a good solution, which I'd rather shive behind a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VPN</a> to add <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#security</a> since for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/organization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#organization</a>-based <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a> infrastructure, one may have to face strict <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/logging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#logging</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/auditability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#auditability</a> requirements (Don't let me get started on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a>)... </li></ul>OFC there is no "one solution fits all" because there are conflicting requirements for different use-cases...<ul><li>And my recommendations are based off given data like said requirements: Proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#E2EE</a> with self-custody of keys as well as per-session individual, non-persistent keys is inherently incompatible with mandatory <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/archival" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#archival</a> requirements in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/businesses" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#businesses</a>...</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://chaos.social/@fragdenstaat" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fragdenstaat</a> WARUM ist keiner der Beteiligten wegen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Untreue" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Untreue</a> in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Untersuchungshaft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Untersuchungshaft</a>?<ul><li>Aber jede*r <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Selbstst%C3%A4ndige" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Selbstständige</a> der <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoBD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoBD</a> nicht penibel einhält oder ne abgelaufene <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TSE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TSE</a> an ner <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Registerkasse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Registerkasse</a> hat kriegt direkt aufs M0wl, oder was???</li></ul>

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