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Joaquim Homrighausen<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>pixelfed</span></a></span> </p><p>I think you should look up "FidoNet" 😊 </p><p>Granted, it was "distributed" and not "Federated", but if you compare technologies available at the time, I think you'll find similarities there too.</p><p>Regardless, we're moving in a good direction!</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://cosocial.ca/@evan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>evan</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fediverse</span></a></p>
vga256<p>new tomo devlog post: how do you deal with shitty people behaviour?</p><p><a href="https://tomo.city/#2025-01-22" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">tomo.city/#2025-01-22</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>excerpt:</p><p>after posting that "Eris-Free Net" wikipedia article the other day, it made me think about how to deal with misbehaving shards on tomoNet, and how governance works on decentralized networks.</p><p>when i started thinking about creating something like tomo years ago, i often thought about Ultima Online as - not so much a model for - but an example of a network of online communities that was always interesting and sometimes frustrating to deal with</p><p>in-game, for several years, UO really was the "wild west" of online communities - so much was left up to players to figure out. for a long time, there were no game mechanics that enabled players to enact governance of their own (e.g. creating towns, villages, provinces and local laws). the outcome of this was that most often a kind of hillbilly/frontier justice, or outright dog-eat-dog existence, became the norm.</p><p>this was great for player-killers and people who loved strife. it added some intensity to the game that no other game had, or in my view has ever had since. (WoW/EQ/etc all elected to bolt everything down and render the world in nerf).</p><p>...</p><p>BBSes also had governance-by-sysop/god, FidoNet with network coordinators, and USENET with its backbone cabal.</p><p>tomoNet - a network of tomo shards that agree to all swap groups/posts with one another - is going to have to deal with the question of (self-) governance sooner or later. at the moment, tomoBBS has no specific controls for managing defederation and it does *not* use the ActivityPub protocol. it needs some, and i need help thinking through what the options are, for a network based on NNTP.</p><p>...</p><p>if you've got thoughts on how your online social community was governed (or failed to be governed) by its users, i'd love to hear about it. it's a wide open topic for debate, and there are no wrong answers at the moment.</p><p><a href="https://dialup.cafe/tags/tomo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tomo</span></a> <a href="https://dialup.cafe/tags/ultima" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ultima</span></a> <a href="https://dialup.cafe/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> <a href="https://dialup.cafe/tags/bbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bbs</span></a></p>
Anders Thoresson<p>I was tagged in the 'Blog Question Challenge 2025' by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@markpitblado" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>markpitblado</span></a></span> (thanks!). For me, this includes highlighting great tools like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@eleventy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>eleventy</span></a></span>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://indieapps.space/@drafts" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>drafts</span></a></span>, and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@ia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ia</span></a></span> – and a trip down memory lane and <a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/FidoNet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FidoNet</span></a>.</p><p>If it weren't for the supportive <a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/11ty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>11ty</span></a> community here on Mastodon, this post would have been quite different. So I'm passing the challenge on to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>zachleat</span></a></span> (thanks for creating Eleventy!) and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://indieweb.social/@bobmonsour" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bobmonsour</span></a></span> (thanks for your invaluable contributions to the community!).</p><p><a href="https://anders.thoresson.se/post/2025/01/blog-question-challenge-2025/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">anders.thoresson.se/post/2025/</span><span class="invisible">01/blog-question-challenge-2025/</span></a></p>
Fabrizio T.<p>La sera del 26 dicembre 1984 andava online FIDO Potenza, aka South Italy CBBS, il primo <a href="https://mastodon.cisti.org/tags/BBS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BBS</span></a> (bulletin board system) <a href="https://mastodon.cisti.org/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> in Italia.</p><p>Per chi volesse saperne di più: <a href="https://www.fidobbs.it" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">fidobbs.it</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Joaquim Homrighausen<p>So, FrontDoor 24.01 (DOS) and FrontDoor 24.01 (OS/2) are now available 🙃😊🐶🚪</p><p><a href="https://defsol.com/downloads/definite-solutions/frontdoor-re-boot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">defsol.com/downloads/definite-</span><span class="invisible">solutions/frontdoor-re-boot</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/frontdoor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>frontdoor</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/ftn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ftn</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>retrocomputing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/reboot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>reboot</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>programming</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/programmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>programmer</span></a></p>
andy diller<p>So I ignored Rule 1 at my own peril and suffered the consequences. If you are wondering, rule #1 is: <br> - it's the firewall, <br>Meanwhile, rule #2 is:<br> - it's DNS. <br>It was my local Subtext 'proxy box' to block telnet abuse that was doing something weird with FidoNet connections. At least I got MacTCP 2.1 out of this.<br>(<span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.jcs.org/@jcs" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jcs</span></a></span> I'm good now)<br><a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/subtext" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>subtext</span></a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/macintosh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>macintosh</span></a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/fsx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fsx</span></a></p>
mik0e1<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Bluesky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Bluesky</span></a> feels like a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Twitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Twitter</span></a> in 2012 right now, but again, it's a very different community than <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mastodon</span></a>. I can't find in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Bluesky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Bluesky</span></a> what I have in Mastodon. To be honest, it reminds me of the late 90s when we had <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> with various echo subscriptions and internet forums. I used both to discuss very different topics and even within the topic, for example movies, until we had torrents it was hard to find fans of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/arthouse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>arthouse</span></a> movies outside of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> or <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a> channels.</p>
Tim Chambers<p>BBS's were the original "OG" decentralized and literally federated social media - for those who remember <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a>. </p><p>I ran one back in the day. </p><p><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/ward-christensen-bbs-inventor-and-architect-of-our-online-age-dies-at-age-78/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/1</span><span class="invisible">0/ward-christensen-bbs-inventor-and-architect-of-our-online-age-dies-at-age-78/</span></a></p>
rodlux<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@arstechnica" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>arstechnica</span></a></span> this is sad. It was the <a href="https://maly.io/tags/bbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bbs</span></a> world that got me online at such speeds as 300 and 1200 baud and in 40x20 characters with at best 4 colours. I was still able to send email though.... ahh <a href="https://maly.io/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> </p><p>RIP <a href="https://maly.io/tags/wardchristensen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>wardchristensen</span></a> online pioneer.</p>
Amin Girasol<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oldbytes.space/@feoh" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>feoh</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@textfiles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>textfiles</span></a></span> Interesting! That'd be a bit like asking IBM insiders to write the history of IBM. We've seen how that's turned out.</p><p>I'd like <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> to get the <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@LaineNooney" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>LaineNooney</span></a></span> treatment à la "The Apple II Age".</p>
Amin Girasol<p>Has anyone written the definitive history of <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a>? </p><p>I know it got some treatment in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@textfiles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>textfiles</span></a></span> 's <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/BBS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BBS</span></a> documentary (which I devoured - thank you Jason and all of the contributors!)</p><p>Fidonet seems ripe for treatment: it has fascinating technical and social dimensions. Technical choices about the structure of the network were made piecemeal, always with the intent to reduce call cost, and included many political choices. How explicit were they at the time? How were those choices made? Likewise, I can't seem to find much about the content of the discussions on the network. There's a tantalising glimpse of GAYNET, a public echo (forum). What other subcultures thrived on Fidonet? To what degree was this endorsed and supported by sysops? Who were the sysops? By definition, you'd have to be a wealthy probably educated, probably homeowner in order to afford the expensive computers and ongoing call costs of being part of the Fidonet.</p><p><a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/Histodons" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Histodons</span></a> <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/Retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Retrocomputing</span></a> <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/CulturalLogicOfComputation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CulturalLogicOfComputation</span></a></p>
Joaquim Homrighausen<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@evacide" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>evacide</span></a></span> We did a lot more than Internet in 1994. We, amongst other things, had a free and unregulated FidoNet, with over 150,000 people around the globe connected, sharing sh*t because we wanted to, and could 😊</p><p>Oh, and in 1992, FidoNet was a transport provider for news from Russia and Glasnost 😎</p><p>All of it by means of PSTN 😉</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/tomjennings" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tomjennings</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/retroit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>retroit</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/iwasthere" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iwasthere</span></a></p>
Kevin Driscoll 📳<p>💾⚡☎⚡📠⚡🥳</p><p>**&gt;&gt; DIALED IN **<br>**&gt;&gt; THE PREHISTORY OF SOCIAL MEDIA**</p><p>🎤 <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://aoir.social/@kdriscoll" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>kdriscoll</span></a></span>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@zephoria" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>zephoria</span></a></span>, Marc Weber<br>🏛 Computer History Museum, Mountain View, CA</p><p>🔆 Highlights and clips<br><a href="https://computerhistory.org/blog/dialing-up-community/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">computerhistory.org/blog/diali</span><span class="invisible">ng-up-community/</span></a></p><p>📹 Full video (1h 21m)<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx9V_xYJ9gM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=xx9V_xYJ9g</span><span class="invisible">M</span></a></p><p><a href="https://aoir.social/tags/bbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bbs</span></a> <a href="https://aoir.social/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> <a href="https://aoir.social/tags/history" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>history</span></a> <a href="https://aoir.social/tags/internethistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>internethistory</span></a> <a href="https://aoir.social/tags/dh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>dh</span></a> <a href="https://aoir.social/tags/socialmedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>socialmedia</span></a></p>
Max Lambertini<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@liztai" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>liztai</span></a></span> GenX here, I was on <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> , was an active <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>usenet</span></a> user, so all monolithic social media systems might die overnight and I couldn't care less.</p>
Cory Doctorow<p>When I got on <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Usenet</span></a> shortly thereafter, the Unix Greybeard set never passed up an opportunity to tell us newcomers that the <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a>-Usenet bridge allowed the barbarian hordes to overwhelm their Athenian marketplace of ideas:</p><p><a href="https://technicshistory.com/2020/06/25/the-era-of-fragmentation-part-4-the-anarchists/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">technicshistory.com/2020/06/25</span><span class="invisible">/the-era-of-fragmentation-part-4-the-anarchists/</span></a></p><p>When I joined <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/TheWELL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TheWELL</span></a> in the late 1980s, I was repeatedly assured that the good times were over, and that we would never see their like again:</p><p><a href="https://www.well.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">well.com/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>3/</p>
LisPi<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@roygreenhilt" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>roygreenhilt</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://wandering.shop/@cstross" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cstross</span></a></span> The internet as it is used was largely foreign to people's experience though.</p><p>What you had were federating <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/BBS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BBS</span></a>, <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/Usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Usenet</span></a>, with some packet radio on the side.</p><p>While the infrastructural and organizational lineage of the internet is inherently military... the social use of networked computers and systems is entirely separate from it and predates it (and especially predates its open access).</p>
Profoundly Nerdy<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mstdn.ca/@warpslide" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>warpslide</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://ioc.exchange/@mikemathia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mikemathia</span></a></span> That also takes me back. I haven't thought about Legends of the Red Dragon in a long time. I'm sure I had a <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> email address, but I don't recall using it. Echo net was something akin to <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/Usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Usenet</span></a>, right? It has been a few decades.</p>
Rich Rubin :verified_paw:<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://dialup.cafe/@vga256" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>vga256</span></a></span> Hi there, don’t know if I’m your target audience. Just read an <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@arstechnica" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>arstechnica</span></a></span> article about <a href="https://mastodonbooks.net/tags/bbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bbs</span></a> and was feeling nostalgic. I haven’t seen a modern era online community that could match the same feel of a bbs &amp; <a href="https://mastodonbooks.net/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> . Overall those were simpler times where you had to wait days/weeks to get a response to your post. Looking back I think it was the anticipation that helped bring the community together. There was no instant feedback</p>
rodlux<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mementomori.social/@rolle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>rolle</span></a></span> <a href="https://maly.io/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mastodon</span></a> reminds of my first online experiences on <a href="https://maly.io/tags/fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fidonet</span></a> which was also federated and each <a href="https://maly.io/tags/bbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bbs</span></a> had it's own admin plus community.</p>
Jay<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ioc.exchange/@mikemathia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mikemathia</span></a></span> I still log in neatly everyday &amp; play LORD and check out some of the <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Fidonet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fidonet</span></a> echoes</p>
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