Kevin Karhan :verified:<p>Seriously, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> fans are just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/cultists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>cultists</span></a> who are unwilling to even consider the possibility that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a> isn't sustainable or that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> and her predecessor, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scam</span></a> - shilling <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoBro</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Moxie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Moxie</span></a> ain't their best friends and would happily <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210606070919/twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">risk jail for them</a>.</p><ul><li>I may sound like <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_B%C3%BChler_(Kaufmann)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans Bühler</a> at this point, but <a href="https://youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Signal has a stench</a> that is very much reminiscent of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoAG</span></a>!</li></ul><p>I <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToldYaSo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ToldYaSo</span></a> and when the evidence is there, I do expect public apologies from every single one of you shills that <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/111968251463697943" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">live</a> on a <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrustMeBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TrustMeBro</span></a>!"</em> mentality believing every <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1thc5DSHwA" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">advertising lie</a>!</p><ul><li>Teach kids proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiteracy</span></a> instead and <em>get gud</em> at it. Do a <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.earth/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@mastodon.earth</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@chaos.social</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParty</span></a> and use <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> FFS!</li></ul><p>If Signal was actually secure, it would be used by <a href="https://archive.org/details/darknet_drug_lord" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">every</a> <a href="https://pastebin.com/GrV3uYh5" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">single</a> <em>"Darknet Drug Lord"</em>! </p><ul><li>But guess why they'd rather <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdab4T_CoN8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">teach</a> stuff like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OfflinePGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OfflinePGP</span></a> method instead?</li></ul><p>Because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> requires <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a>!</p>
Recent searches
No recent searches
Search options
Only available when logged in.
shakedown.social is one of the many independent Mastodon servers you can use to participate in the fediverse.
A community for live music fans with roots in the jam scene. Shakedown Social is run by a team of volunteers (led by @clifff and @sethadam1) and funded by donations.
Administered by:
Server stats:
291active users
shakedown.social: About · Status · Profiles directory · Privacy policy
Mastodon: About · Get the app · Keyboard shortcuts · View source code · v4.3.4
#vcmoneyburningparty
3 posts · 2 participants · 0 posts today
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://rubber.social/@crazy_pony" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>crazy_pony</span></a></span> when <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> isn't being run as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCMoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCMoneyBurningParty</span></a> and they take <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> serious and stop shilling the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scams</span></a> that is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>!</p><p>For everyone else, there's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (see <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>) & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a>/MIME (see <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a>)…</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.glitched.systems/@froge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>froge</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@fj" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fj</span></a></span> I'm not replacing <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> with <em>"random tools"</em> but good options.</p><p>Like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> as well as <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> which work flawlessly over <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> using <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@tails" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://venera.social/profile/tails_live" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails_live</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tails</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.librem.one/@guardianproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>guardianproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Orbot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Orbot</span></a> respectably.</p><ul><li>Also these allow not only <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> but just work and I'd highly recommend <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> as a hoster which finances iself by users paying <em>and</em> allows <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/anonymous" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>anonymous</span></a> accoubts & payments including not just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monero</span></a> but also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CashByMail</span></a>!</li></ul><p>Considering the costs of even acquiring and upkeeping an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/anonymous" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>anonymous</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a>, I'd rather pay €2 p.m. for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME-supported <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> with the option of self-custody than $2,50+ p.m. just to keep a phone number.</p><ul><li>Plus I don't run around with a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tracking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tracking</span></a> device that could be used to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deanonymize" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deanonymize</span></a> me any second...</li></ul><p>Or is anyone here expecting <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> to <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114220798961806961" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">risk jail for life</a> amd not comply with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a>?</p><ul><li>If <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> was as secure as advertised, it would've been shutdown like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SkyECC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SkyECC</span></a>!</li></ul><p>It <em>stenches</em> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a>, because <em>NOTHING IS FOR FREE</em> and running a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a> is expensive...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@licho" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>licho</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@osman" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>osman</span></a></span> provide evidence the code <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> released is actually being deployed.</p><ul><li>Whereas <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> has <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ReproducibleBuilds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReproducibleBuilds</span></a> to the point that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@fdroidorg" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fdroidorg</span></a></span> literally pulls their <code>git</code> and builds it from source.</li></ul><p>Not to mention pushing a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scam</span></a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>) disqualifies <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> per very design!<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><ul><li>Given the collection of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>, the ability to restrict functionality based off those and the fact that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> make it inherently not trustworthy.</li></ul><p>And don't even get me started on the fact.it's not sustainable to run it as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a>!</p><ul><li>As soon as Signal becomes a problem, it will be taken offline, and due to the fact that it is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> that's trivial for authorities.</li></ul><p>Same as identifying users: They already got a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> which in many juristictions one can't even obtain without <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ID" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ID</span></a> legally, thus making it super easy to i.e. find and locate a user. Even tze cheapest LEAs can force their local M(V)NOs to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SS7" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SS7</span></a> a specific number...</p><ul><li>All these are <em>unnecessary risks</em>, that could've been avoided, but explicitly don't even get remediated retroactively!</li></ul><p>Again: Signal has a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Honeypot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Honeypot</span></a> stench, and you better learn proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiteracy</span></a> because <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210606070919/twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>corporations can't pull the 5th [Amendment] on your behalf</em>!</a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.io/@ckrypto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ckrypto</span></a></span> if@signalapp@mastodon.world wasn't complying with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> would be in jail.</p><p>Not to mention even <em>if</em> Signal keeps their <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a>"</em> code updated - which is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M&t=887s" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">doubtful</a>, <em>NOONE</em> can actually <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/verify" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>verify</span></a> that it's the code you actually use - regardless if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/backend" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>backend</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Server" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Server</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/client" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>client</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>App</span></a>! </p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is as secure as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a>, otherwise it would've been shutdown ages ago.</li></ul><p>Also if Signal was designed for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>security</span></a>, it would've been <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralized</span></a> as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> and not demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> which oftentimes cannot be obtained anonymously in many juristictions <em>at all</em>!</p><ul><li>Only <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MultiVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MultiProvider</span></a> standards can be secure, regardless if OMEMO or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME. </li></ul><p>By comparison, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> doesn't require any PII, only an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> account, and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> isn't a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a> but sustainable due to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/subscription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>subscription</span></a> and they don't even require any personal details for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/payment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>payment</span></a>: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CashByMail</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monero</span></a> are accepted.</p><ul><li>Not to mention neither <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> nor <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> are <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M&t=424s" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">pandering</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scams</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a> that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">don't work</a> even for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiterate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiterate</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoBros" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoBros</span></a>! </li></ul> <p>Again: It's Signal alone who have to evidence they are trustworthy, and all I get are <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrustMeBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TrustMeBro</span></a>!"</em> replies, which means they are not to be trusted.</p><ul><li>Not to mention, it's just not sustainable to run a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/service" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>service</span></a> without <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/revenue" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>revenue</span></a>, even if it's run entirely by unpaid volunteers and gets all it's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>hosting</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/costs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>costs</span></a> donated, someone has to pay for expenses due to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/abuse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>abuse</span></a> of a service (which is an inevitability come mass adoption)...</li></ul><p>Whereas with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> I can completely setup my own server and client, even build my own if I don't trust anyone else and pay someone to audit the code.</p><ul><li>Signal as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> service is inevitable vulnerable to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RubberhoseCryptoanalysis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RubberhoseCryptoanalysis</span></a>, and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Meredith" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Meredith</span></a> <em>will break</em> if not doing so means <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210226175949/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">jail for life until she does</a>!</li></ul><p>Whereas with XMPP & PGP/MIME <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> I can layer <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> over it, make it an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a> and keep that thing under my bed with a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F59iKSrx63c&list=PL2YepVFF1azEYo0c0HdYwykbp_AXchaIp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">literal killswitch</a>...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@erebion" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>erebion</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@inaruck" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>inaruck</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scherheit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scherheit</span></a> bedeutet ja <a href="https://chaos.social/@erebion/114038705703666014" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nicht nur</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a>, sondern <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Alle <em>zentralisierten</em> Systeme sind diesbezüglich inhärent schlecht, gerade <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> welches eine <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a> ist und in keinster weise <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/nachhaltig" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>nachhaltig</span></a> ist.</li></ul><p>Gibt Gründe warum <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> bis heute existieren ubd warum keiner mehr <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AIM</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ICQ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ICQ</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MSN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MSN</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BBM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BBM</span></a> & Co. nutzt!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Beggarmidas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Beggarmidas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Em0nM4stodon</span></a></span> </p><p>For comparison <a href="https://monocles.eu/more/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">monocles</a> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> doesn't collect <em>any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> whatsoever</em> and one can get their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Apps</span></a> not only for free (or choose one's own <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/clients" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>clients</span></a> because unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> they only use open & standardized protocols!) but also <a href="https://monocles.eu/more/#payment-section" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">pay</a> using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CashByMail</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Monero</span></a> for maximum <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a>.</p><p>So it's not a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a> but actually <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sustainable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sustainable</span></a>!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@lucasmz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>lucasmz</span></a></span> no, it's a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>scam</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> knew it from day 1, thus they are complicit in it.</p><ul><li>Instead of doing a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCMoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCMoneyBurningParty</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> could do the responsible ans sustainable thing and be a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/subscription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>subscription</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/service" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>service</span></a> that doesn't collect <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/shills" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>shills</span></a> an obvious <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PumpAndDump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PumpAndDump</span></a>!</li></ul><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileCoin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileCo</span><span class="invisible">in</span></a><br><a href="https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/mobilecoin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">coingecko.com/en/coins/mobilec</span><span class="invisible">oin</span></a></p>
ExploreLive feeds
Mastodon is the best way to keep up with what's happening.
Follow anyone across the fediverse and see it all in chronological order. No algorithms, ads, or clickbait in sight.
Create accountLoginDrag & drop to upload