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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mrmasterkeyboard</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@0xF21D" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@0xF21D</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@cesarpose" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@cesarpose</a> for individiuals who do stuff on the side and who definitely don't make ends meet with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> I don't assume malice or incompetence unless proven otherwise.<ul><li>If this were like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AnyDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AnyDesk</a> who charge triple digits per seat and year I'd not accept that tho!</li></ul>Granted <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dayon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Dayon</a> is AFAICT the only <a href="https://alternativeto.net/software/teamviewer/?feature=remote-desktop-access&license=free&p=3&platform=linux" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">competitive offering</a> if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MeshCentral" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MeshCentral</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RustDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RustDesk</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Remotely" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Remotely</a> are too overkill and that works on the convenient "Reverse-Server" model where one needs to only configure the network on the Assistant end, not on the end of the user seeking help.<ul><li>Which is espechally desired for systems that one hasn't onboarded or ain't intended to get onboarded as a matter of principle (i.e. individual clients' desktops)...</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mitexleo.one/@ml" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ml</a> I've heard of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RustDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RustDesk</a>, but lets just say the whole "it's not <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SaaS</a>!" when it clearly is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/subscription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#subscription</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/licensing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#licensing</a> scheme is kinda off-putting to me... <a href="https://rustdesk.com/pricing/?lang=en" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://rustdesk.com/pricing/?lang=en</a><ul><li>I mean, it is "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a>" as in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SUSE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SUSE</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OracleLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OracleLinux</a> ( & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RedHad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RedHad</a> used to be)...</li></ul>That doesn't mean they are bad - far from it.<ul><li>Tho being better than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AnyDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AnyDesk</a> isn't that hard...</li></ul>I just use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dayon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Dayon</a> because it's <a href="https://retgal.github.io/Dayon/quickstart.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">very easy to walkthrough</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TechIlliterates</a> when it comes to getting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RemoteSupport" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RemoteSupport</a> up and running with them.

Kevin Karhan :verified:Seriously, if I was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LinusSebastian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinusSebastian</a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LinusTechTips" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinusTechTips</a> I'd literally choose to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/donate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#donate</a> the cost of a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/subscription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#subscription</a> to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RemoteDesktop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RemoteDesktop</a> projects like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dayon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Dayon</a> instead and sue TeamViewer into upholding their contract or a full refund with interest as if it was a loan because clearly they chose violate that contract on their own terms and initiative!<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT1t1JlZugM&t=140" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT1t1JlZugM&t=140</a>And yes, Dayon! is awesome and I can fully recommend this as an alternative to TeamViewer, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AnyDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AnyDesk</a>, etc. <a href="https://retgal.github.io/Dayon/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://retgal.github.io/Dayon/</a><ul><li>For any system that needs Remote Access as unattended I'd recommend to setup a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#VPN</a> or at least a Reverse-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SSH" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SSH</a> connection anyway so one can launch something like Dayon! by just sending a single command and have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RemoteDesktop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RemoteDesktop</a> access on-demand.</li></ul>So yeah, TeamViewer literally shot themselves in the foot here by deciding to shaft paying customers who were able and willing to pay the absurd prices you asked for for a one-time license.<ul><li>Also whilst TeamViewer does OFC maintain some infrastructure, most what they do is basically run a "rendrevous"-Server to allow two endpoints behind NATs to connect to each other and exchange details to make UPnP-style hole-punching work. </li></ul>That's traffic in the single-digit megabytes per year and client, as there's not much between as clients pinging their server and basically boing some simple handshakes.<ul><li>And as <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT1t1JlZugM&t=572" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Linus said</a> it's not his problem if they gotta have to keep systems up and running in perpetuity. They offered that deal and now they have to suffer through it! By paying the obligations are on to TeamViewer to make it work and continue to make it work!</li></ul>Also if I'm on a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LAN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LAN</a> why would I want to use TeamViewer and not any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VNC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#VNC</a> (or god forbid <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RDP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RDP</a>) server? THE WHOLE POINT OF USING TeamViewer, AnyDesk, etc. IS TO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NATs, FIREWALLS AND IP-ADDRESSES AND JUST GET CONNECTED FFS!!!<ul><li>Personally I use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Remmina" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Remmina</a> and Dayon, but that's because Remmina is comfortable even for SSH and can do that as well as RDP & VNC and Dayon is just the simple option I can walktrough people that need <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechSupport" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TechSupport</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/remote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#remote</a>|ly for a quick hands-on... </li></ul>Definitely my recommendation because it also allows for any use-cases and doesn't nag one to "buy a license!"<ul><li>So please someone please let <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linus</a> know about Dayon so he can do a "TeamViewer alternatives" video...</li></ul><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LTT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LTT</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WanShow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WanShow</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WANshow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WANshow</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Enshittification</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Greedflation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Greedflation</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Licensing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Licensing</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Ownership" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Ownership</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Piracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Piracy</a>

KickDownCH"Wir verwenden <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/Fastviewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fastviewer</a> weil <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/Teamviewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Teamviewer</a> nicht sicher genug ist" -> 20 Minuten bis überhaupt eine Sitzung zu stande kommt, weitere 10 Minuten für um heraus zu finden wie die Bildschirm und Steuerungsfreigabe funktioniert. Dann später nochmal 10 Minuten weil ich die Services geöffnet habe, die Software mich dann aussperrte weil ich zu wenig Berechtigungen hatte.

KikiWenn man seinen ü80-Verwandten per Fernsteuerung mal eben computertechnisch unter die Arme greifen wollte, konnte man bis dato <a href="https://fnordon.de/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> nutzen. Jetzt funktioniert das offenbar nicht mehr, die kostenlose Version ist weggefallen und sie wollen dafür inzwischen 17 Euro im Monat. 🤡Kennt hier jemand zufällig eine kostenlose Alternative (jedenfalls für 1-2 Anwendungen im Jahr), die auf dem Mac läuft?

Richard BroekmanI use <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Teamviewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Teamviewer</a> to provide remote support to relatives. Recently it started disconnecting me after a minute, claiming I am using it in a commercial setting. Which I am not. I mean, my family doesn't pay me for my support :)Neither re-installing nor creating a new account fixed this. Has anyone experienced this before and found a fix for it? If so, I would love to hear about it.

Francis Mangion (M)TeamViewer Security Update | Trust Center | TeamViewer <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> <a href="https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/resources/trust-center/statement/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/resources/trust-center/statement/</a>

Adam ♿So that's both <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> and <a href="https://aus.social/tags/AnyDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AnyDesk</a> compromised and now I need to work out how to re-do family tech support.No, RustDesk isn't an option.

Brett Callow<a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a>

Dave Mackey<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/thought" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#thought</a> of the day: Why don't remote access applications (e.g. <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Teamviewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Teamviewer</a>, <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/VNC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#VNC</a>, <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/RDP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RDP</a>, <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/NoMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NoMachine</a>, <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/AnyDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AnyDesk</a>, <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/RustDesk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RustDesk</a>, etc.) make a tabbed interface for supporting multiple monitors? Almost like browser tabs, tab 1 is monitor 1, tab 2 is monitor 2, tab ... is monitor ...This seems like a much easier way to manage multiple screens than the loops I currently jump through. 😂 Traditional RDP actually seems to handle this the best, it makes everything appear as if it is on one screen.

Manchester United 🤖📥 <a href="https://twitter.com/HarryMaguire93" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@HarryMaguire93@twitter.com</a> has a message for you! 🫵<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamViewer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TeamViewer</a> ↔️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BringingYouCloser" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#BringingYouCloser</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MUFC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MUFC</a> || <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MUNFUL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MUNFUL</a>

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