@pelle @ambiguous_yelp @davidgerard

ok the xitter acc of #Simplex founder is indeed a hellhole:
https://xcancel.com/epoberezkin

do you know who else is involved in the project?

@pelle @ambiguous_yelp @davidgerard
I went looking for the problematic views of the #Simplex governing body you described and was able to find a very lucid response to fearmongering by Wired.com:

https://simplex.chat/blog/20241016-wired-attack-on-privacy.html

So far nothing else turned up that raised my suspicion.
Could you point me in a direction to look deeper into this?

@ambiguous_yelp @davidgerard
it's fine that one could hypothetically setup a non-fash relay and fork #simplex to be able to select this relay on initial setup.

however, since that hasn't happened yet, you're recommending "anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial" chat app.

let's not downplay fascism as merely "views."

@davidgerard why is #simplex anti recommended, I don't agree with the founders views either I think theyre dangerous but can't we just run our own relay servers and moderate them how we like? In terms of the protocol I don't think there is any messenger more secure against state adversaries

@rysiek @simplex The #SimpleX brand account also promotes right wing slop, retweets posts from right wing accounts, and "love[s] Twitter and the role it plays in the world."

It's not at all disconnected from the project itself. This defending of right wing bullshit under the guise of "defending free speech" appears to be inherent to SimpleX's philosophy. Of course, people will screech about "keep politicks out oaf mah softwayre!!"

Evgeny also retweets Lunduke lol.

@luana @java @b #simplex is #FLOSS quantum-resistant #e2ee decentralised (relay network), reportedly easy self-hosting, hosts rooms with thousands of users or just a few, member permissions, custom room permissions and unique to simplex: no user ids, each dm or group it basically creates a new cryptographic id

@uhuru
#DeltaChat has no forward secrecy.
And depended on SHA-1 and using MD5.
Both are considered weak cryptography if I'm not mistaken.
While I believe deltachat to be a great app with good use case, it's not what I'm looking for.

#xmpp ecosystem is?/was! pretty bad in serving proper e2ee cross platform implementation.
Till recently there was only conversations as a usable app. Since some weeks ago it seems that @dino now also offers e2ee by default. But also both conversations and Dino using an outdated omemo specification, and are by that not compatible with @kaidan.
I will reconsider xmpp when they adapt the newer specification.

@briar not mentioned, but also no, cause it's not working on #TailsOS or on android with Orbot.
So very much unusable, since it's not running on the platforms we use.

#simplex, no, I don't like nor trust the dev.

#cwtch, yes, maybe

@kuketzblog
Fast niemand verifiziert die Fingerprints. Signal kann einfach MiTM machen bei initialem Kontakt.
Sie hätten ja auch den Fingerprint im den Nutzernamen /QR Code packen können, wie #SimpleX - haben sie aber nicht.

Some of you may have heart of #simplex which likes to elevate itself as "the first messenger without user-ids" ... a goal, similar to ours, of not letting the transport layer know about who talks. Only we are doing it in the email system, fully interoperable with tens of thousands of existing email servers and other #openpgp endpoints. The email system is much more than SMTP/IMAP or even openpgp btw ... there is plenty of room for radical shifts and new takes. We are just starting :)

Ecco la registrazione della riunione didattica con il NaLUG sulle chat libere, decentralizzate e private del 5 aprile.

Peertube: https://videos.gianmarco.gg/w/vFhxYn2T4JZ3npHXuSD4vv
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YouTube: https://youtu.be/BLL_pFtEju4

@ip6li @heiseonline @briar #Signal zeigt doch Haltung, und würde das böse Spiel nicht mitspielen. Kann man also auch empfehlen. Besser als diverse Tech Konzerne, die Trump & Co nachlaufen. #unplugtrump #unplugtrump03 #messenger #threema #simplex