The Community Edition<p><strong>WATERLOO REGION RELOCATES GEESE TO KINGSVILLE</strong></p><p>The City of Waterloo is working to address the overpopulation of geese in Waterloo Park by relocating them to a new home. </p><p>On June 10, 2025, a flock of over 200 Canada geese was transferred from Waterloo Park and released at Jack Miner Bird Sanctuary in Kingsville, Ontario. </p><p>Staff from the city and the sanctuary worked together to gather the geese. </p><p>“I don’t think anybody would actually believe how smoothly it went. It was single file. These geese kind of just marched onto a trailer,” Robin Milne, Director of Parks, Forestry and Cemetery Services at the City of Waterloo, said. </p><p>The trip to their new home took approximately three hours. The city obtained a permit from the Canadian Wildlife Service prior to the relocation. </p><p>Milne said the decision to relocate the geese stemmed from a high number of complaints received about bird droppings. </p><p>Milne said the issue surrounding bird droppings became a bigger concern after the Waterloo Park shoreline was redeveloped. </p><p>“[With] the new shoreline redevelopment, the idea was to draw visitors to the shoreline,” Milne said. “With all the hard surfaces on the shoreline now, the geese droppings just got out of control, to the point where it was like walking through a minefield and we couldn’t stay on top of it.” </p><p>To combat the issue, the city rented specialized equipment to clean the concrete on a regular basis. The city also set up coyote decoys throughout the park to deter the geese; however, most of the decoys were stolen within 24 hours of being set up. </p><p>“Geese are not a problem specific to Waterloo or Waterloo Park or any urban centre across Southwestern Ontario. Geese can be a nuisance, and, in some areas, they can be managed,” Milne said. </p><p>“There’s no natural predators in the park, so the [goose] population just keeps growing and growing,” he said. </p><p>Though effective, Milne said the cleanup efforts were time consuming, costly and disruptive to patrons in the park. </p><p>When it became clear that the population of geese was beyond the park’s capacity, they engaged with the Jack Miner Bird Sanctuary to find an alternate solution. </p><p>The sanctuary has done relocation specifically to geese for several other municipalities in Southwestern Ontario. The sanctuary, which is funded through donations, feeds the geese and offers appropriate shelter and nesting grounds. </p><p>Experts at the sanctuary also offered guidance and a plan on how and when to collect geese eggs and relocate the birds. </p><p>“In June, many geese can’t fly because they are molting or too young, making it the ideal time for relocation while keeping family groups and mated pairs together,” said a statement from the City of Waterloo. </p><p>Since the relocation, the park has approximately 25 geese remaining. </p><p>The city plans to continue monitoring the number of geese in the park throughout the summer. If the relocation is successful this year, Milne said the city will re-apply for the Canadian Wildlife Service permit and repeat the relocation initiative next year. </p><p></p><p><a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/canadian-wildlife-service/" target="_blank">#canadianWildlifeService</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/city-of-waterloo/" target="_blank">#CityOfWaterloo</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/dave-klassen/" target="_blank">#DaveKlassen</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/geese/" target="_blank">#geese</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/jack-miner/" target="_blank">#jackMiner</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/kingsville/" target="_blank">#kingsville</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/kitchener/" target="_blank">#kitchener</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/overpopulation/" target="_blank">#overpopulation</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/relocation/" target="_blank">#relocation</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/safina-jennah/" target="_blank">#SafinaJennah</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/shelter/" target="_blank">#shelter</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/southwestern-ontario/" target="_blank">#southwesternOntario</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/waterloo-region/" target="_blank">#waterlooRegion</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://www.communityedition.ca/tag/wildlife/" target="_blank">#wildlife</a></p>
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Butterflies - Animal Rights<p><a href="https://veganism.social/tags/ecocide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ecocide</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/environment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>environment</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/PlantBasedDiet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PlantBasedDiet</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/pollution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pollution</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/ClimateCrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClimateCrisis</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/ClimateChange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClimateChange</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/NoPlanetB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NoPlanetB</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/wars" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>wars</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/EnvironmentalDevestation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EnvironmentalDevestation</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/GlobalWarming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GlobalWarming</span></a> <a href="https://veganism.social/tags/deforestation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deforestation</span></a></p>
JdeB<p>866 <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/ClimateMyths" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClimateMyths</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/OverPopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OverPopulation</span></a></p><p>One of the most persistant myths about the survival of humanity is that of the overpopulation. The planet can not feed us all.<br>THIS IS NOT TRUE<br>Sure enough, humans as a species are quite dominating in the ecosphere. But the hunger is due to a more egocentric and horrifying reason: what 'we' eat and how 'we'distribute the food is the real culprit.<br>Not a wonder I got a agrivated reaction on a vegeburger video, by an American [US}.<br>Over population is an age old escuse to carry on as usual, to 'Eat my burger without the worry'.<br>This is very 'rich' coming from the richest [and fattest] country that became that way by exploiting their 'own' country and that of others. Sure you don't want to worry...</p><p>Please stop commenting with these cheap and very outdated claims on the climate. <br>I don't mind opposite comments at all, but do take care of validity of your arguments.</p><p>"The overpopulation myth, debunked by a data scientist | Hannah Ritchie" [7:23 min]<br>by Big Think</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrbyI-Cuze4" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=xrbyI-Cuze</span><span class="invisible">4</span></a> </p><p>Quote by BT:<br>" Jul 12, 2024<br>About the video: Is human overpopulation alarmist hype with disturbing consequences? Oxford data scientist Hannah Ritchie debunks the overpopulation myth. <br>A widespread concern with overpopulation became prominent in the 1960s and the 1970s, when scholars wondered how we could produce enough food for a rapidly growing global population. Brought to the fore with the publication of the book, "The Population Bomb," by Paul R. Ehrlich in 1968, it seemed that the only way to solve this problem was to discourage people from having more children.<br>This concern hinged on the assumption that the world population would continue to grow exponentially, but it hasn't. While the global population is still growing, in fact it's growing at a much slower rate, as global population growth rates peaked decades ago and have halved since then.<br>So is this concern completely unfounded? What can future population projections tell us? Data scientist Hannah Ritchie explains why."</p><p>00:00: The overpopulation concern<br>02:01: Global population growth rates<br>02:28: The fall in global fertility rates<br>03:06: Amount of food produced per person<br>03:50: Per capita CO2 emissions<br>04:17: The underpopulation concern</p><p><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/TakeCareForLife" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TakeCareForLife</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/TakeCareForEarth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TakeCareForEarth</span></a> <br><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/StopBurningThings" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StopBurningThings</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/StopEcoside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StopEcoside</span></a> <br><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/StopThePlunder" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StopThePlunder</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/StopRapingNature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StopRapingNature</span></a> <br><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/ClimateBreakDown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClimateBreakDown</span></a></p>
Kent Pitman<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.dfaria.eu/df" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>df</span></a></span> </p><p>That piece on ethics of immigration was an interesting read. I was going to post some thoughts there, but they ended up long, so I'll post them here instead:</p><p>In a finite world, this gets inevitably tangled in the politics of reproduction and overpopulation. Some seek to tactically out-reproduce as a way of politically dominating, or to fear that others will, but even more basically, if we ignore such factions and stick to sheer numbers: We can be fruitful and multiply only to a point in a finite world. At some point, multiplying isn't fruitful but exhausts all fruit.</p><p>And so when people move around in a sparse world, there there may be more capacity to absorb them than in a dense one, regardless of how you define words like sparse and dense and capacity. And, of course, density is distributed unevenly. Certain standards of living or ways of living will not support more than a certain number of people. So questions arise as to whether it's the right of a people or a region to have any such standard or way of living.</p><p>Without a theory of why people would taper off reproduction as the world becomes crowded, the politics of immigration becomes tethered to the politics of reproduction. Birth itself is a kind of immigration, and sometimes people who want to taper immigration seem to nonetheless want to encourage birth, without seeing or acknowledging that each of these increases population density and strain on finite resources. In an "empty" world, the risk is of having too few people, and both birth and immigration seem obvious opportunities to mitigate risk. In a "full" world, the risk is of having too many people, and both birth and immigration seem points of concern and opportunities for risk to attach. </p><p>Of course, density is not distributed evenly in the world, so these concepts apply differently in different places, but it simplifies discussion to keep things simple. To have a coherent ethics on this, one must know where one is in the empty/full spectrum. And, of course, all gets even more complicated if one realizes that people will inevitably overlay race, religion, wealth, or nationality, but the essential problems are best seen if you hold those at bay long enough to understand it is not really possible to ignore overpopulation as a core driver of the stress. In some sense, those other factors just create ways of magnifying, partitioning, and sadly scapegoating that stress.</p><p>Discussions of both reproduction and immigration are intrinsically difficult because they get quickly into issues of how we may fairly distribute finite resources in an ever more crowded world as cultures with very different and deeply held practices and expectations come ever more inevitably into contact and, too often, conflict with one another. Achieving any sense of fairness can be a nontrivial task because each is starting from a different place and there is often no commonly agreed starting point for what can be expected to be fixed and what must be up for negotiation. It probably have to start with everyone agreeing there's a real problem and that we all need to be equitably involved in a solution, but I sense there's a lot of denial on both of these points.</p><p><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/population" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>population</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/sustainability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sustainability</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/ethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ethics</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a></p>
anubis2814<p><a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=PopulationCollapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PopulationCollapse</span></a><br>Every <a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=billionaire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>billionaire</span></a> who has ever screamed about over or under population. WERE THEMSELVES THE CAUSE!<br>Want more babies? Pay people more.<br>Want less babies? Increase <a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=education" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>education</span></a> especially for women, make <a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=healthcare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>healthcare</span></a> free, make family planning free.</p><p>Worried there are not enough resources and <a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=climatechange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatechange</span></a> is going to kill us? The top 1% produce 29% of all <a href="https://friendica.myportal.social/search?tag=greenhousegasses" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>greenhousegasses</span></a> , the bottom billion produce 1%. Invest in science to create a green revolution.</p><p>They are sounding the alarm about problems they created and blaming the average individual with no power as being selfish.</p>
Echoes of Dystopia<p><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/echoesofdystopia/p/the-systemic-drive-for-population?r=54w5rv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">open.substack.com/pub/echoesof</span><span class="invisible">dystopia/p/the-systemic-drive-for-population?r=54w5rv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/population" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>population</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/environment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>environment</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/savetheplanet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>savetheplanet</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/climatechange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatechange</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/anthropocene" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>anthropocene</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/humanpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>humanpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>capitalism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/consumerism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>consumerism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/environmentalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>environmentalism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/climatecrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatecrisis</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/climatebreakdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatebreakdown</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/sociology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sociology</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/oligarchy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>oligarchy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/techbro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>techbro</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/industrialization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>industrialization</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/inequality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>inequality</span></a></p>
Anne Delong<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@guamwatt" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>guamwatt</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@1sabelR" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>1sabelR</span></a></span> </p><p>I read the book first, Make Room, Make Room by Harry Harrison. Published in 1966, it's ironic that the story is about 1999, when the author shows the world dying under the weight of seven billion people.</p><p><a href="https://musician.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://musician.social/tags/climatechange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatechange</span></a></p>
Sweet Home Alaberta 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️ 🇲🇽<p>There is no declining population crisis on a planet suffering an ecological collapse from human overpopulation. </p><p>There are racist immigration policies.</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/EcologicalCollapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EcologicalCollapse</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/stupidhumantricks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>stupidhumantricks</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/PopulationCrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PopulationCrisis</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Immigration</span></a></p>
Swede’s Photographs<p>Good morning. 😀😀👍</p><p>21 October 2024</p><p>What happens when a species has no natural predators? I've read a little, not a lot, about such events such as the introduction of rabbits in Australia, the rabbits became a big problem, though I don't know if they still are. They gobble up all of the resources, don't they? Is Homo Sapien so different? No natural predators, except for ourselves. Populations grow virtually unchecked. We're at what, eight billion? That is a growth of about two billion the last twenty years. The more of us there are, the more resources we require. How many of us can the earth sustain?</p><p>Hmmm ... it must be doom and gloom morning.</p><p>"Overconsumption and overpopulation underlie every environmental problem we face today" - Jacques Yves Cousteau</p><p><a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/photo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>photo</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/photography" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>photography</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/photographer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>photographer</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/photographylovers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>photographylovers</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/wildlife" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>wildlife</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/nature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>nature</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/morning" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>morning</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/AmericanAligator" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AmericanAligator</span></a></p>
Earthworm 🐌<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@Otis_Scops" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Otis_Scops</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@504DR" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>504DR</span></a></span> </p><p>Thanks, but you don't need to lecture me about exponential growth...</p><p>And sorry if my intention to give the issue a less grim outlook wasn't of your taste. </p><p>Maybe better if I tell you that you don't have to worry "because with the currently likely scenarios, human population will likely crash at some not very distant point in the future. <br>famines, diseases, war, breakdown of healthcare, that stuff...</p><p>feel better now?</p><p>Anyway. You are right that the current growth of the human population would require a decrease of our average environmental impact per capita.</p><p>But what I say is just:<br>a) the overpopulation discourse usually averages over global populations, and does not take into account differences in impact by lifestyles. The world can't afford the rich people (of which the larges part is white).<br>b) the growth of consumption outpaced that that of population and is by far the bigger problem<br>c) there is a lot of margin to live more sustainably, even in low-income countries. So, I don't want to deny that too many poor people can have negative impacts on the environment, especially in industrialized capitalist societies. But as I said before: fight for education and against patriarchy, and this will yield the best results.<br>d) I prefer a lot to destroy large parts of the industry, cars, military and other shit with only marginal benefit (yes, there are always exceptions, e.g., disabled people deserve access to mobility). But when we talk about population, we are talking about human beings. And in the past this discussion never had good results.</p><p>So, again: if you want to talk about what you denominate "overpopulation", I request you thread your words very, very carefully, so that the discussion can't derive into racist and ableist thoughts. This is what I ask you.</p><p><a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/planetaryBoundaries" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>planetaryBoundaries</span></a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Malthusianism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Malthusianism</span></a></p>
Kent Pitman<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://neuromatch.social/@richard" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>richard</span></a></span> </p><p>What's the point of this? Is it to say that they shouldn't try? </p><p>My weight creeps up and down. One year I got tired of being heavy and started exercising more and eating less. I managed to claw my way down by 80 pounds. I thought that pretty cool. It's been up and down some, but overall I've managed to maintain it. So you could write a story about that. Or you could write a story about how even after losing all that weight, I was still heavier than other people. How would that be helpful? And how is that different than this story.</p><p>There may well be valid arguments against EVs, if that's what you want to say. Some of them about the carbon footprint of production are the most compelling. Though I we do have to still have transportation, so if not EVs I'm not sure what. The best criticism there is that we need to lessen the number of personal vehicles. But then again, this article isn't making that point.</p><p>There may be a valid point about the coal that it takes to charge them. But while changing every house in America to have electric heat, for example, would not change our carbon footprint in one step, it WOULD change what the problem was to a doable thing of just building better sources of fuel. So changing over the use pattern is a part of the puzzle and not to be discouraged. It would do far less to change our power plants if heat was still generated through non-electric means. So again, is that worth shaming?</p><p>There's a possible article about how rich people owe more than just changing over their cars, but that could have been done without studying the cars at all. Or without studies. Rich people buy things. Clothes. Travel. Toys. All consumption is putting a drain on our system. But that's not the message being done here. You're shaming the consumer.</p><p>When Christmas rolls around, everyone will be saying we're having a bad Christmas if people are not buying crap. We'll talk about how sellers are going to not make enough money, how the economy is tanking, about layoffs, about how no one has confidence in the President, and all if just people fail to consume. So then we'll sell more advertising and try to whip people into a buying frenzy. Because that's what our economy runs on: consumption.</p><p>It's true. Some rich people consume a lot. But that is not our societal problem. If rich people vanished from the face of the Earth one day, abducted by aliens, others would just rise to take their place. They are not a kind of person. They are a role. And we all advocate that role. We all are part of a system that studies, measures that role, and who panics if every person is not doing their buying best to crank out new rich people.</p><p>The fix is to decide we're going to value something other than consumption. Like NOT consuming. But we don't have a clear theory of the need for that, not societally. Many of us individuals do. We don't have a clear theory of how people would eat, would raise families, would decide what to do with their lives.</p><p>I could sketch a world like that, and my sketch would be different than others', but it wouldn't be five seconds until someone called me a socialist or communist (which I am not--I am simply a problem solver looking for a solution to a problem I can describe). </p><p>The problem is that people don't even perceive the problem so they are not seeking the solution. A proposed solution to a problem people don't perceive ends up being perceived like some militaristic takeover by political forces who have a solution in search of a problem. That's not what's going on, but it presents the problem in a better form.</p><p>This article contributes nothing to a proper understanding of the dynamic problem of our economy. It just seeks to shame a set of people in an unproductive way. It may well be that those people even do need shaming. I'm not defending them. I'm not even saying that I'm not them. (Sometimes I have been at least on the upper end of middle class. The edges are fuzzy here and I don't mean to otherize those people, rather to accept some responsibility personally, too.) But, shamed or not, we cannot continue to grow our population or consume resources in a finite world and not eventually run out. Even run out SOON.</p><p>And, perhaps as importantly, it doesn't do any good to shame people if you don't have a suggested alternative. Yeah, they could cut back on some other things, too, but that's not really a solution.</p><p>It might help if there was a summit of concerned plutocrats and they decided to start advocating, as a block of people who secretly control the world, to push for greener stuff, for less consumption, for less carbon use. Great if you can get them to, but I'm not holding my breath.</p><p>A couple of my blog essays may be helpful if you want more detail on thoughts like these:</p><p>Corny Economics<br><a href="http://netsettlement.blogspot.com/2012/05/corny-economics.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://</span><span class="ellipsis">netsettlement.blogspot.com/201</span><span class="invisible">2/05/corny-economics.html</span></a></p><p>Losing Ground in the Environment<br><a href="http://netsettlement.blogspot.com/2019/09/losing-ground-in-environment.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://</span><span class="ellipsis">netsettlement.blogspot.com/201</span><span class="invisible">9/09/losing-ground-in-environment.html</span></a></p><p><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>capitalism</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/collapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>collapse</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/GreenEnergy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GreenEnergy</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/EV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EV</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/LateStageCapitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LateStageCapitalism</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/CarbonFootprint" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CarbonFootprint</span></a></p>
Keith D Johnson<p>A sentence, one of many fascinating utterances in the book I'm reading, on an ancient human behavior pattern: "Finding easy scapegoats for complicated problems has been a human pastime since the first mob of cavemen struck someone down with a rock."<br>The book is the second in a series by Neal Shusterman (first time reading this author): The Scythe Arc; 1 Scythe; 2 Thunderhead.</p><p>It's not the first series I've read that deals with immortal humans, but this one has an unusual "solution' to the problems of <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/overshoot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overshoot</span></a>, <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/overconsumption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overconsumption</span></a>, & <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a>. Hard to put down. A life & death experience.<br>Here are some other titles with immortal characters: <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/75447.Immortality_In_Science_Fiction" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">goodreads.com/list/show/75447.</span><span class="invisible">Immortality_In_Science_Fiction</span></a><br><a href="https://sfba.social/tags/books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>books</span></a></p>
The Japan Times<p>How we interpret that lost civilization has changed over time. New information suggests resilience in the face of adversity. <a href="https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2024/08/23/world/easter-island-collapse-history/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">japantimes.co.jp/commentary/20</span><span class="invisible">24/08/23/world/easter-island-collapse-history/</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/commentary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>commentary</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/worldnews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>worldnews</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/easterisland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>easterisland</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/europeans" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>europeans</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/climatechange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatechange</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/easterisland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>easterisland</span></a></p>
Jack of all trades<p>This really puts things in perspective.</p><p><a href="https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=vJ5p3pZlBi4" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=vJ5p3</span><span class="invisible">pZlBi4</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/population" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>population</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/history" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>history</span></a></p>
Sweet Home Alaberta 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️ 🇲🇽<p>Apocalyptic fools.</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/ClimateDisaster" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClimateDisaster</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/BiodiversityCollapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BiodiversityCollapse</span></a></p>
Jack of all trades<p>Tom Murphy with a new thought-provoking post.</p><p><a href="https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2024/05/watching-population-bomb/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">dothemath.ucsd.edu/2024/05/wat</span><span class="invisible">ching-population-bomb/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/population" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>population</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/collapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>collapse</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/TomMurphy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TomMurphy</span></a></p>
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PaulaToThePeople 😷overpopulation
🧿🪬🍄🌈🎮💻🚲🥓🎃💀🏴🛻🇺🇸<p>Every time I go to Costco I see people leaving with *multiple* mega-packs of toilet paper. Y'all need to quit breeding!!</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/costco" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>costco</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/overpopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>overpopulation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/consumerism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>consumerism</span></a></p>
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