@froge @fj I'm not replacing @signalapp with "random tools" but good options.

Like @delta & @thunderbird as well as @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim which work flawlessly over @torproject / #Tor using @tails / @tails_live / #Tails and @guardianproject / #Orbot respectably.

• Also these allow not only #SelfHosting but just work and I'd highly recommend #monocles as a hoster which finances iself by users paying and allows #anonymous accoubts & payments including not just #Monero but also #CashByMail!

Considering the costs of even acquiring and upkeeping an #anonymous #SIM, I'd rather pay €2 p.m. for #XMPP+#OMEMO and #PGP/MIME-supported #eMail with the option of self-custody than $2,50+ p.m. just to keep a phone number.

• Plus I don't run around with a #tracking device that could be used to #deanonymize me any second...

Or is anyone here expecting @Mer__edith to risk jail for life amd not comply with #CloudAct?

• If #Signal was as secure as advertised, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat and #SkyECC!

It stenches like #ANØM, because NOTHING IS FOR FREE and running a #VCmoneyBurningParty is expensive...

@CppGuy yeah, @torproject really got better since I started using @guardianproject / #Orbot 15 years ago because in #EDGEland, #Tor is a #PerformanceProxy!

@clubchonky I disagree.

• OFC @torproject / #Tor never was designed for low-latency, high-bandwith useage, but that's not the point.

IMHO using @guardianproject / #Orbot as a #PerformanceProxy even makes throttled #WWAN networks bearable!

• In terms of scale, Tor is pretty good and if all peers are within Tor, shit works just fine...

@truls46 Ein gutes Gegenbeispiel zu @signalapp ist @monocles / #monoclesChat:

• Es werden keine persönliche Daten verlangt!

• Es wird ein offener Standard (#XMPP+#OMEMO) genutzt, sodass #SelfCustody und #Datenhoheit gewährleistet ist!

• Der Dienst ist zwar kostenpflichtig (€2 p.m.), aber komplett anonym bezahlbar (inkl. #Monero & #CashByMail)!

• Nutzung von @torproject #Tor wird nicht verhindert oder blockiert; @guardianproject / #Orbot wird unterstützt!

• In #Deutschland gibt's immernoch #Rechtsstaatlichkeit, anders als in den #USA!

• Anders als #Signal ist #monocles ehrlich, was Sicherheit und Datenschutz angeht...

Ich denke mal das sollte hinreichend meine Argumebte darlegen.

• Kernpunkt ist und bleibt: Signal ist bestenfalls gemeingefährlich-inkompetent oder ein #Honeypot!

@truls46 #facehoof

• Deshalb schaut mensch vorher sich um.

Ich empfehle nur Server die ich selbst getestet habe, außerdem hilft @torproject / #Tor & @guardianproject / #Orbot dabei, diese idealerweise als #OnionService zu erreichen.

• Wo keine #PII wie #Telefonnummer oder #IPs verlangt, abgefragt, übermittelt oder gespeichert werden, können diese auch nicht ausgehändigt werden.

@nanoelquant @torproject @guardianproject @mullvadnet when you use #Orbot, you should use localhost:5400 for #DNS queries...

• It's the port used to provide #Tor - DNS...

@Beggarmidas @Em0nM4stodon personally, I do consider #Smartphones an attack vector and recommend everyone to use @tails_live / @tails / #Tails or at least @torproject / #Tor via @guardianproject / #Orbot and ideally open, #PublicWiFi like @freifunk / #freifunk.

Fortunately, @monocles / #monoclesChat integrates Orbot Support so it's just a few taps to get everything tunned through Tor!

https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/torify.app/

If @signalapp cared, they would've #decentralized and put their backend on Tor and not demand #PII like a #PhoneNumber.

#WhatsMissing is an #Android-#ROM that is the equivalent of @tails_live / @tails / #Tails, which includes @torproject / #Tor and @guardianproject / #Orbot support from the get-go and forces everything through Tor (system-wide #Torification) if not only allows to connect to #OnionSedvices using #orWall...

• Because that would have a similar audience and really complement peoples' needs.

Ideally make it like an #image file to put on a #RaspberryPi #CM5 / #CM4 / #Pi400 / #Pi500 / #Pi4 / #Pi5 to work with a bunch of #WWAN modules for #data, #SMS & #calling (needed with some SIMs to get shit done)...

Issues aside it's now 15 years since I started using #Tor / @torproject & @guardianproject / #Orbot on #Android full-time.

• Not just for #privacy, but because it acts as a #PerformanceProxy on #throttled #German mobile networks!

Because in #EDGEland they yeet users to 64kBit/s if not even lower to 16kBit/s past paid bandwith and instead of properly renegotiating the bandwith, they trottle connections by reducing the packet rate / dropping packets, making it as #laggy as a #GSO-based #SATCOM connection!

• On top of that, almost all #MNO|s & #MVNO|s illegally use RFC1918 Address space, *espechally 10.0.0.0/8 for #CGNAT, thus bricking #VPN|s and sadly @BNetzA doesn't really give a damn!

Also friendly reminder for #developers of #Apps using @torproject / #Tor and/or accessing #OnionServices using @guardianproject / #Orbot:

• Set #DNS to localhost:5400 unless you want it to #leak the use of Tor.

You may trust @mullvadnet but even they can't resolve …onion (and likely wouldn't even if it was that simple) because that's how it works!

@craige @jwz @claudius @mathowie I've played with #SimpleX chat before. I don't know if it's ready for primetime yet, but I'd definitely keep an eye on it. As it stands, I'd love to recommend #Signal #SignalMessenger, because I think it has better UX (and less metadata via sealed sender) than #Matrix with its #Element client. But Matrix does not require phone numbers. So, my current recommendation to anybody organizing vulnerable people is to use Matrix rather than Signal, and to ensure that users run it over #tor via the #orbot app.

@ajn142 @tinker @Em0nM4stodon +9001%

• Never stopped using @torproject / #Tor because @guardianproject #Orbot is a #PerformanceProxy on #EDGEland throttled networks!