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The Medley Interlisp ProjectIt's 1986 and you want to use Interlisp-D on your Xerox workstation. This primer will get you up to speed with booting a Lisp image, handling floppy disks, using the mouse, transferring files to a VAX, and interacting with the environment. Some of the material is obsolete but gives an idea of what it was like to use a Lisp Machine in the 1980s.<a href="http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/interlisp-d/198510_Koto/3102300_Interlisp-D_A_Friendly_Primer_Nov86.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/interlisp-d/198510_Koto/3102300_Interlisp-D_A_Friendly_Primer_Nov86.pdf</a><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/interlisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#interlisp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>

wrosecransIt's crazy how advanced the graphics software on Symbolics LISP machines were in the 1980's before SGI kind of took over that space.<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Retrocomputing</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ComputerGraphics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ComputerGraphics</a>

Judy Anderson<a href="https://gamerplus.org/@screwlisp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@screwlisp</a> Thought you would be interested in this.On the ex-Symbolics employees mailing list somebody posted a link to a "history of the Lisp machine". <a href="https://youtu.be/sV7C6Ezl35A?si=S4uh4-JXKC2_7lOR" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/sV7C6Ezl35A?si=S4uh4-JXKC2_7lOR</a>It's kind of long and so I didn't watch the whole thing, but just skipped around a little bit. Somebody else who did watch it said,'Fascinating exposition. Given his mispronunciations of "CADR" and "Macsyma", it's clear that he wasn't in the room where it happened, nor spoke to anyone who was. But I can't quarrel with his research or cause-and-effect analysis of both the industry as a whole and Symbolics in particular.'<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/symbolics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#symbolics</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/lispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lispMachine</a>

Paolo AmorosoThe document preparation system of Symbolics Lisp Machines consisted of two major hypertext tools, the Concordia authoring environment and the Document Examiner documentation browser and delivery interface. These papers describe the tools.Supporting Document Development with Concordia <a href="https://archive.org/details/smbx-concordia-paper-1988" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/smbx-concordia-paper-1988</a>Document Examiner: delivery interface for hypertext documents <a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/317426.317448" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/317426.317448</a><a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/symbolics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#symbolics</a> <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/lisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lisp</a> <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a>

Alfred M. SzmidtHmph... should I fork ansi-test and make it run on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> .. <a href="https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/ansi-test/ansi-test" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/ansi-test/ansi-test</a>

Alfred M. Szmidt<a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@oantolin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@oantolin</a> Emacs predates Lisp Machines. Emacs is an editor, nothing more or less. It is not a Lisp environment, or a Lisp implementation. And yes, it is about Lisp, an extensible language. Emacs is special, but it is for other reasons. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GNU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GNU</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Emacs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Emacs</a> is a far shot from <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>, and ZWEI is a far shot from <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GNU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GNU</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Emacs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Emacs</a>.

dch82<a href="https://mastodon.social/@keyboards" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@keyboards</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/@NanoRaptor" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@NanoRaptor</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Apple</a>

Alfred M. SzmidtOh! Can’t keep up on your <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> releases? Well! System 301.1 is out now! And it ain’t even a bug fix… now you can count or clean your dirty .. pages. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> <a href="https://tumbleweed.nu/r/sys/info/f2ac23283ebeaea9" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://tumbleweed.nu/r/sys/info/f2ac23283ebeaea9</a>

Alfred M. SzmidtCalling all <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/HDL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#HDL</a> hackers! I need help in putting the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MIT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MIT</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/CADR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CADR</a> onto a FPGA board. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/VHDL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#VHDL</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Verilog" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Verilog</a>, does not matter much. Who is up for a fun challange? <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>

Chris HansonI expected better from Cameron Kaiser of all people than being a self-described “anti-capper.”If you have old computers, you need to ensure the electrolytic capacitors aren’t leaking and destroying them. This is preventative maintenance, and unless you’re really getting directly under the capacitor when inspecting a system, you can’t tell if it’s leaking—it may still be performing its function sufficiently while slowly eating away at traces.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/lispmachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lispmachine</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/lispm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lispm</a>

Ramin Honary<a href="https://www.burgerrg.com/TR413.pdf%20" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">1994 Indiana U., Robert G. Berger: “The Scheme Machine”</a><blockquote>This paper describes the design and implementation of the Scheme Machine, a symbolic computer derived from an abstract Scheme interpreter. The derivation is performed in several transformation passes. First, the interpreter is factored into a compiler and an abstract CPU. Next, the CPU specification is refined so that it can be used with the Digital Design Derivation system. Finally, the DDD system assists in the transformation into hardware. The resulting CPU, implemented in field programmable gate arrays and PALs, is interfaced to a garbage-collecting heap to form a complete Scheme system.</blockquote><a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/scheme" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Scheme</a> <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/schemelang" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SchemeLang</a> <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/lispm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> <a class="hashtag" href="https://fe.disroot.org/tag/lispmachine" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>

Alfred M. SzmidtUnix is inherently insecure due to the root user. This user does not exist on the Lisp Machine, making it the most secure system out there. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>

Paolo AmorosoThis is the year of the Lisp Machine desktop.Here's an online Medley Interlisp session on my Chromebox. Your turn: show off your Lisp Machine environment.<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/interlisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#interlisp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/lisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lisp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>

Kent Pitman<a href="https://mastodon.social/@amszmidt" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@amszmidt</a> No clue.I did use CADR lisp machines*, but I am not sure I ever used the remote debugger. I don't think I did.I can speculate a little, but I emphasize that I know exactly zero about this and am just completely guessing.The form of the text is like that of an FTP or HTTP response code: a three-digit code and some other text that perhaps doesn't matter. If it's related to that, 105 is in the 1xx range, which is informational. FOOBAR in that case may just be someone inserting non-null text for something that had no specific better text.Searching an early draft of the LispM manual (suitable for CADR) at <a href="http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/mit/cadr/Weinreb_Moon-Lisp_Machine_Manual_Jan_1979.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/mit/cadr/Weinreb_Moon-Lisp_Machine_Manual_Jan_1979.pdf</a> for "105 foobar" does reveal a match, but it's in the description of si:lisp-top-level1, where it says:«Preliminary Lisp Machine Manual, page 267, The Lisp Top Level:si:lisp-top-level1 This is the actual top level loop. It prints out ·"105 FOOBAR" and then goes into a loop reading a form from standard-input. evaluating it. and printing the result (with slashification) to standard-output. If several values are returned by the form all of them will be printed. Also the values of *, +, and - are maintained (see below).»Based on all of this, I'm reaching even further but wondering if perhaps someone wanted to use the informational output of the si:lisp-top-level1 command having been successfully invoked as input on the other end of some pipe saying to go ahead and start a debugger session.As I said, just a wild guess. I could be VERY wrong. :)<a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/LispM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>*I used the CADR lisp machines at MIT in the early 1980s as part of the programmer's Apprentice project, where I named machine Avatar (long before the movie, more inspired on a theme akin to the Sorcerer's Apprentice) and at the Open University (summer 1984, I think) in Milton Keynes, UK, where I named my machine Alan Turing.(Cadrs were hand-built machines, as I recall, so they were each much more like individuals and their naming was much more important than machines that were mass produced.)The name Turing was chosen for the machine at the OU because of the building we were in, which was referred to as "Turing's hut". It was said to be a temporary building erected in World War II where Turing did his work. (This was long after WWII, but MIT also had "temporary" buildings built for the war that survived much longer.) I've more recently struggled to reconcile the claim that Turing worked in that building against the information in the movie The Imitation Game, which puts Turing's work in Bletchley Park, but the OU is not far from Bletchley Park, so there's probably some element of truth in one or the other. In that time (mid 1980s), Turing's contribution was more obscure and no one really questioned such details. It was just nerdy trivia.<a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Turing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Turing</a>

Alfred M. Szmidt<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispM</a> curiosity .. in the CADR Console debugger, to start the remote machine one types "105 FOOBAR" -- can anyone explain why? <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a>

Simon Brooke<a href="https://tech.lgbt/@wakame" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@wakame</a> While thinking about the Connection Machine -- which is for me one of the most inspirational designs in the history of computing -- let me share this wonderful story about Richard Feynman's involvement in the project.<a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Lisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Lisp</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/MassivelyParallel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MassivelyParallel</a><a href="https://longnow.org/essays/richard-feynman-connection-machine/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://longnow.org/essays/richard-feynman-connection-machine/</a>

blake shaw 🇵🇸I love how Dan Weinreb's reasons for why <a href="https://functional.cafe/tags/Symbolics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Symbolics</a> didn't succeed doesn't even consider their hostility towards free and open development of <a href="https://functional.cafe/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> software as having something to do with it.<a href="https://danluu.com/symbolics-lisp-machines/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://danluu.com/symbolics-lisp-machines/</a> <a href="https://functional.cafe/tags/lisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lisp</a>

Mark Gardner<a href="https://hackers.town/@randomgeek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@randomgeek</a> That’s an… interesting… layout. Of course, as a <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Perl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Perl</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/programmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#programmer</a> I’d be hitting that “Fun” key a lot for sigils and punctuation.My <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> heart goes pitter-pat for the <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/LispMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LispMachine</a> space-cadet-<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/keyboard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#keyboard</a>-esque “Super” key (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_%28keyboard_button%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_%28keyboard_button%29</a>)/cc <a href="https://metasocial.com/@jesse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@jesse</a>

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