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william.maggos<p>the right calls everybody left of themselves liberals, but it has always upset me that the mainstream/moderate left gets called liberal by the further left. in my experience, there is a separate part of the further left that is most reliably engaged in critical thinking, honest and trying to understand all other perspectives (<a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a>). usually focused on economics and foreign policy, less concerned re feelings etc. dissidents like Greenwald. Bill Moyers was one. </p><p><a href="https://fair.org/home/farewell-to-bill-moyers-who-showed-what-public-tv-could-be/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">fair.org/home/farewell-to-bill</span><span class="invisible">-moyers-who-showed-what-public-tv-could-be/</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>If government policy changes and it deeply impacts you but you routinely misunderstand how your representatives' actions led to that outcome, how can democracy work?</p><p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>Having massive policy arguments even within the right and left is how our system is supposed to work. Political parties and primaries are not supposed to exist. It's supposed to be chaotic.</p><p>But we're not supposed to be in deep disagreement on facts. Or so angry at each other that we can't compromise. Politicians should have to change minds via argument not force of personality. One person possibly donating to campaigns shouldn't be able to influence the passage of legislation.</p><p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a> are about putting the people in control, recognizing that there must be a state or else private power abuses us, but also that the state must be controlled by the public to keep it from abusing us.</p><p>within that, you can still be <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/conservative" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>conservative</span></a> and primarily concerned about preventing things from getting worse (usually the focus of those older and doing the best) or <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/progressive" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>progressive</span></a> and focused on how we need to make things better (usually the concern of those younger and doing poorly).</p>
william.maggos<p>Could <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/ZohranMamdani" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ZohranMamdani</span></a> fail to get passed what he promised, implement it poorly or could it have worse unintended consequences? Yes.</p><p>I still think you try in the best way you're able.</p><p>To me, the real fixes are deeper. National or global. The insatiable demand for profit breaking down all systems that try to provide for a shared prosperity, including competitive markets and democratic governments.</p><p>So until we collectively understand this problem, we're all addressing the symptoms. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>Do your favorite media sources care more about getting more of your attention or making sure you are well informed and thinking critically? I understand wanting both but what's their priority?</p><p>Journalism should always favor the latter. Otherwise it's entertainment that you need to limit your consumption of. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>The best reason to point out hypocrisy is to drive people to have more substantive conversations. To get away from ideology and partisan talking points. Sometimes conservatives like government doing stuff and sometimes progressives don't. Sometimes progressives are on the side of more freedom and conservatives are not.</p><p>But don't just mock the other side, talk details. That's how we learn to hate each other less and find compromises to make life better for everyone. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>I think the best fix for the misinformation and division is a universal social network without algos or ads where we try to maximize participation and focus our moderation towards that outcome. Say anything as long as it's not primarily intended to bother others (not always an easy call).</p><p>I have faith in people and the democratic process. I'm frustrated that others don't and that people don't see the potential in specifically trying to use this medium for this purpose. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a> <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/SocialWeb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SocialWeb</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>A great episode with <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/DanielleAllen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DanielleAllen</span></a> on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bsky.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/radioopensource.bsky.social" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>radioopensource.bsky.social</span></a></span>. She is all about hearing from all sides and making democracy work. A true liberal. Please listen. Wish she was here. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a><br><a href="https://radioopensource.org/divided-defensive-democracy/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">radioopensource.org/divided-de</span><span class="invisible">fensive-democracy/</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>The founders were opposed to political parties. We've let them become subcultures. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a> <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/uspol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>uspol</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>So much illegitimate power stems from how our media environment is structured to allow money to be turned into influence. That distribution of info, ideas and art is determined by how much can be spent on it. Most political campaign donations are spent on getting their message in front of people.</p><p>I won't claim the term anarchist but my advocacy for the fedi is about fighting this fight. Making everybody have to earn cultural influence legitimately.</p><p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a> <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/DemocracyOfReach" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DemocracyOfReach</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>The people have to be engaged for democracy to work. Turning the news and government affairs into something like reality TV, where the public is convinced civics doesn't matter and they should treat politics like sports, is one way to break a society.</p><p>I don't think the people facilitating this, have this purpose in mind. They are having fun, maybe making money, or even feel like they are saving the world. But it is having the same effect.</p><p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>The fundamental concern in a market-based democracy will always be about how to make the economy and social programs better support the not wealthy, while the wealthy have better access to convince politicians to support their interests and more resources to bias the media to their views.</p><p>Civics is mostly about trying to address this, forever. But a decentralized media more reliant on the general public for funding and allocating attention would greatly help.</p><p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a> <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/DemocracyOfReach" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DemocracyOfReach</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>How much are we feeding the conspiracy mindset by having a centralized, corporate media filled by only elite university graduates? For most, it feels like you must be born into a wealthy/connected family to become a dominant voice in the public conversation. Or be chosen by them, and thus probably have proven your willingness to push their agenda.</p><p>To appear to challenge that gets you automatic cred. This opportunity to grift lets them turn justified skeptics into dangerous nuts. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>You should be able to accept that the MSM lies about WMDs in Iraq got people needlessly killed and Trump's lies about 2020 being stolen got Ashli Babbitt killed. That shit like these two well known examples are ample reason for pursuing numerous changes in the media environment to ensure people are as well informed as possible. That it's not an ideological or partisan or elite vs alt media goal. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/woke" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>woke</span></a> is not just progressive. it's the illiberal left. it's trying to force everybody else to think and act progressive. it didn't used to mean this. many on both sides don't seem to understand this.</p><p>we're supposed to be trying to live better with people who disagree with us. understand our differences and find compromises that make life better for everybody. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>Sadly, the people who usually freak out the most about the "truth", are those most assure they possess it. It is essential to maintain a democracy, but that means acknowledging that your understanding is also lacking. We have lots of people angry about the lying but few interested in why it works and dealing with that. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>Why does <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/MAGA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MAGA</span></a> scream about defending free speech but support making big pharma ads illegal? Me thinks they haven't thought it through and just want to "win", but the difference to me is summarized in the term <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/DemocracyOfReach" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DemocracyOfReach</span></a>.</p><p>We need to reform all our media systems so attention is not easily bought. You should be able to say almost anything, but make systems where you're able to pay to make people hear it obsolete. You should have to convince others to want to tell others. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>"Nobody is an expert in tradeoffs."</p><p>That's where the good kind of politics comes in. Journalists and issue experts are supposed to explain our options, and then we carefully weigh them. Or judge candidates by how well we think they'll do that. Partisanship and ideology makes that harder to do well, but easier to treat like sports entertainment. <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a></p><p>cc <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bsky.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bsky.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/aaronrosspowell.com" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>aaronrosspowell.com</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://pca.st/episode/f9a5e2f9-7946-4004-adb8-e15d57916575" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">pca.st/episode/f9a5e2f9-7946-4</span><span class="invisible">004-adb8-e15d57916575</span></a></p>
william.maggos<p>The more that you've fought for speech rights to criticize Israel and been called antisemitic for doing so, the more likely you're a lefty who also understands that we can't just try to shut down conservatives who hold views we consider abhorrent.</p><p>It's not simple. People will really get their feelings hurt even when we are careful to try not to do so. Some things must be said to have important conversations. Such open spaces cannot be made fully "safe".</p><p><a href="https://liberal.city/tags/LiberalValues" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LiberalValues</span></a> <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/SocialWeb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SocialWeb</span></a> <a href="https://liberal.city/tags/fediblockmeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>fediblockmeta</span></a></p>