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Farooq | فاروقConsidering that both <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> and <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> re-invented <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/decentralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#decentralized</a> communication while <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> was already there, makes <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> more interesting.The fact that DC didn't invent a new protocol for <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/InstantMessaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InstantMessaging</a> and just used the protocol which was already there, and also that how far has it gone, is mind blowing.At first when I was chatting with <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@treefit" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@treefit</a>, I already was developing a Matrix client(<a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/chooj" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chooj</a>) for <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> and it was the only decentralized IM which I was using and investing resources into. I was skeptical but then I thought it would be a good idea to invest into DeltaChat, as well as Matrix. His argument, of course, wasn't good. He was arguing that we need multiple options in the case one of decentralized IMs fail. However this convinced me to give DC a try.But now, I see that DC has very unique advantages no other messenger has. Their moto is "playing the long term" game. Unlike Matrix which suddenly exploded, DC moves very slowly. As an advantage, DC is much more consistent, hassle free, has less bugs(in my experience) and has better UI/UX than many Matrix clients. But it has got several disadvantages. Matrix has tons more features which DC hasn't got or has added them just recently such as editing messages and reactions. And it is not yet suitable for public groups, like the ones we've got in the Matrix network.Overall, if you want secure chat with friends or family or other people you trust, DeltaChat is a very good option and the experience is very good. And I haven't seen something like <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/webxdc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#webxdc</a> in any other IM. However if you want something like <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> guilds for a community, Matrix is the way to go.BTW, DC currently lacks funding, thanks to what <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a> did with <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/OpenTechnologyFund" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenTechnologyFund</a>(<a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/OTF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OTF</a>). If you can help in anyway, financial or otherwise, it will be extra valuable at this point. <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/IM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IM</a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messenger</a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/MessagingApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MessagingApp</a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/opensourceIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensourceIM</a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freesoftware</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@JessTheUnstill</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/@bohwaz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@bohwaz</a> <a href="https://indieweb.social/@punkfairie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@punkfairie</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ajsadauskas</a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tomiahonen</a> <a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fuchsiii</a> Exactly...Coincidentially, that's why <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a> (and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a>) doesn't let users have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/root" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#root</a> access because billions of devices owned by mostly "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TechIlliterates</a>" that hardly get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SecurityUpdates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SecurityUpdates</a> would be an even bigger risk if they didn't boot a locked-down <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ROM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ROM</a> image, thus only allowing for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/malware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#malware</a> in user-privilegued userspace!<ul><li>I'd even go so far that I'd wish for <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@torproject</a> to basically merge fmr. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FirefoxOS</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> & <a href="https://venera.social/profile/tails_live" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tails_live</a> / <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@tails" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tails</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tails</a> to build a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a>-focussed <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ROM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ROM</a> for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Smartphones" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Smartphones</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tablets" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tablets</a> i.e. "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TailsMobile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TailsMobile</a>" or sth.</li></ul>Cuz having a mobile OS that shoves everything through <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tor</a> and only allows <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/userspace" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#userspace</a>-Apps in the form modern web technologies would be a big <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#security</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a> gain.<ul><li>Not to mention <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/amd64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#amd64</a> is on it's way out and inevitably they gotta have to transition to supporting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/arm64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#arm64</a> and eventually <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RISCv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RISCv</a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/64bit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#64bit</a> at some point.</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mamot.fr/@bohwaz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@bohwaz</a> <a href="https://indieweb.social/@punkfairie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@punkfairie</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ajsadauskas</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@JessTheUnstill</a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tomiahonen</a> That's exactly the problem, cuz <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> nee <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FirefoxOS</a> was a good and solid basis not just for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LowEnd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LowEnd</a>-Devices but could've been excellent for a more <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/secure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#secure</a> mobile OS, as it has good potential for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sandboxing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#sandboxing</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KISS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KISS</a>-principle'd <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apps</a> that are lean and efficient.But then again when enthusiasts like <a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fuchsiii</a> and I were shouting "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney</a>!" to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mozilla</a>, they basically refused to sell any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/device" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#device</a>, and then we get the "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PSvita" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PSvita</a>-Effect":<ul><li>Noone's gonna build an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#App</a> for a platform that is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REaUzHef9h4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">essentially a rounding error from the start!</a>…</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://indieweb.social/@punkfairie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@punkfairie</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ajsadauskas</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@JessTheUnstill</a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tomiahonen</a> <a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fuchsiii</a> Yeah and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Symbian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Symbian</a> is used with cheap phones of a brand named <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Swisstone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Swisstone</a>.Case in point: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> nee <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FirefoxOS</a> is now drowned in obscurity because of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mozilla</a> mismanagment and hamfisted approach compared to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a>.

PerryI like p2p communication with webRTC better and better. not having a server in between which stores messages, but only sending messages (directly or in the form of a queue) when both peers are online. writing a message queue is my next step in my <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> app <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/webRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#webRTC</a> <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> <a href="https://github.com/strukturart/flop" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/strukturart/flop</a>

Hippo 🍉Just "released" the first usable version of <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Convo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Convo</a>, an <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> messaging app for <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/JioPhone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#JioPhone</a> feature phones! :xmpp:<a href="https://git.disroot.org/badrihippo/convo/releases/tag/0.1.0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://git.disroot.org/badrihippo/convo/releases/tag/0.1.0</a>I was hoping to release a more complete version as 1.0, but that's taking a while, and people are already starting to use it as it is (especially with the impending shuttering of <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> on KaiOS) so I decided to get this out right away 📦I've also submitted to the <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/BananaStore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BananaStore</a>, so hopefully it should be out there soon 🍌

Perry<a href="https://swiss.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/webRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#webRTC</a> <a href="https://swiss.social/tags/leaflet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#leaflet</a> I've made progress on my webRTC chat app for KaiOS. I've created a map component that allows the user to share their location and live location. In the next step I'll enable the sharing of audio messages. I'm still thinking about how I'm going to solve this so that it remains easy to use.<a href="https://github.com/strukturart/flop" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/strukturart/flop</a>

smegI got a Nokia 2780 Flip phone as our "home phone" for around the house and for my kid to bring with him in situations where we might be separated. It's very satisfying to use! Physical buttons, T9 texting, and it even has a rudimentary Google Maps app. 3 days of battery life, to boot. It runs KaiOS. Great call quality, signal strength, and that pleasant Nokia ringtone.<a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/dumbphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dumbphone</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/featurephone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#featurephone</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/nokia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nokia</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/fliphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fliphone</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/kaios" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#kaios</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/t9" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#t9</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/minimalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#minimalism</a> <a href="https://assortedflotsam.com/tags/parenting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#parenting</a>

Patrick CurryHey <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> friends, do any of y’all have experience with either KaiOS or /e/ OS smartphones in the USA? I’m looking a for a less-corporate option for very privacy-sensitive friend. I’m open to other options for locking down mainstream iOS or Android phones if all else fails. THANK YOU! <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KaiOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/eFoundation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eFoundation</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/eOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#security</a>

Aral BalkanImagine if Mozilla were what it says it is and had released Firefox OS under GPL…Instead, they did the research and development (with some of your money, if you donate to them) for a third-party company to come and close it off in a commercial product. Oh and for their patron, Google, to invest $20 million on top to create closed “smart feature phones” to farm the data of the <strike>poors</strike> “next five billion.”*golf claps*<a href="https://tuxphones.com/smart-feature-phones-revolution-kai-os/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tuxphones.com/smart-feature-phones-revolution-kai-os/</a><a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/kaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#kaiOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/firefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#firefoxOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mozilla</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/bigTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#bigTech</a>

Scott JensonHas anyone used the recent <a href="https://social.coop/tags/KAIOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KAIOS</a> phones for <a href="https://social.coop/tags/PWA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PWA</a> development?Curious how well they work given their smaller screen sizes. I'm going to do some pro bono consulting to NGOs in India and while everything LOOKS reasonable, I'm just looking for any validating experience. <a href="https://social.coop/tags/web" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#web</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/webdev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#webdev</a>

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