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Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@SnowyCA" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@SnowyCA</a> same. There's already a concerted effort to rewrite history & the present. <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AI</a> & influencing <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LLM</a> chat bots is a big part of it, too. <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/Meshtastic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Meshtastic</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/LoRa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LoRa</a> and <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/HamRadio" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#HamRadio</a> are possible communications methods that are harder to throttle.

Delta ChatGood news! Our developments are back into full swing with major new releases expected throughout 2025 🥳After the shock February dry-up of funding grants we recently secured substantial private donations, wonderfully helping to hit the ground running 🧡<a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> and <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/webxdc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#webxdc</a> developments currently use ~600k EUR per year to support a dozen experts and contributors, to in turn help the wider contributor communities, as well as to realize major new features. <a href="https://delta.chat/en/donate" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://delta.chat/en/donate</a>

Gauff 🇪🇺<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@cwtch" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@cwtch</a> I really would like to have a better understanding of the differences (not so technical, but also pros and cons) of decentralised messaging services, in comparison: <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@cwtch" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@cwtch</a> <a href="https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@element</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> Do you know if that exists?I'm on <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> , love it, but I realise that another centralised solution might not be the ultimate solution...And I need to think wisely before bringing all my people to a new platform 🙃Thank you!<a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/cwtch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#cwtch</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#matrix</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#signal</a>

Delta ChatFor refining <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> UIs and UX we are looking at many other messengers regularly. But we are curious. Which messenger UX/UI do you like most and suggest we take cues from?

brume ⏚ 🤔 ⛵ 🐧 ☮️ 🇵🇸 🍉The EU wants to decrypt your private data by 2030 <a href="https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/the-eu-wants-to-decrypt-your-private-data-by-2030" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/the-eu-wants-to-decrypt-your-private-data-by-2030</a>L'Europe se fixe pour objectif de de réussir à déchiffrer nos données personnelles d'ici 2030.Ils sont têtus, mais c'est toujours non ! C'est un objectif stupide et inacceptable qui mettrait tout le monde en danger face aux fraudeurs et menacerait gravement la démocratie et les libertés.<a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>

Delta ChatTwo of our teams just gave talks at the <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@passthesaltcon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@passthesaltcon</a> 2025 conference in Lille: <a href="https://mastodon.ml/@Xeniax" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Xeniax</a> tells the story of "federated messaging" waves and her usable security research, emphasizing "availability" as a key issue <a href="https://passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/always-more-secure-analyzing-user-migrations-to-federated-e2ee-messaging-apps-trimmed/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/always-more-secure-analyzing-user-migrations-to-federated-e2ee-messaging-apps-trimmed/</a> -- <a href="https://chaos.social/@hpk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@hpk</a> starts off with prioritizing usable security and walks through <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> transport layer security goals and <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> end-point security status, upcoming releases and prospective work on improving metadata and other goals <a href="https://passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/usable-end-to-end-security-with-delta-chat-and-chatmail/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/usable-end-to-end-security-with-delta-chat-and-chatmail/</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@OhMyGod" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@OhMyGod</a> Remember: ANY "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#KYC</a>" in terms of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Messenger</a>| <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Apps</a> IS the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IllicitActivity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IllicitActivity</a>!Regardless if <a href="https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@matrix</a> or <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> , the sheer request, demand or coercion onto <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PII</a> like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PhoneNumber</a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#eMail</a>-Address is bad.<ul><li>If providers like <a href="https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mullvadnet</a> can do a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#VPN</a> without any PII and can offer their Service via <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@torproject</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Tor</a> and host their Website as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OnionService</a>, then there's no good reason for others not to do the same.</li></ul>Personally, I'll recommend to switch to some real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#E2EE</a> with good <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SelfHosting</a> options like <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> [which uses <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME) or <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a> (which is based upon <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> and who do host their own servers which are user-financed and can be paid for 100% anonymously.<a href="https://social.bund.de/@bfdi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bfdi</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@netzpolitik_feed" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@netzpolitik_feed</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@ccc" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ccc</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/@heiseonline" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@heiseonline</a>

Matthias<a href="https://autistics.life/@d1" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@d1</a> <a href="https://gladtech.social/@avoca" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@avoca</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> If <a href="https://nerdculture.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> is "alpha quality", I wonder what Whatsapp is. No really multidevice support, changing phone is a mess.. But nonetheless, people love it. I think mostly it is not that something is better, it is just what people are used to.

Dusty<a href="https://gladtech.social/@avoca" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@avoca</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nina_kali_nina</a> <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Deltachat</a> feels Alpha quality to me, *once you stray off the path of plain old 1:1 encrypted text messages, with possible file attachments, including voice memos* - which Deltachat is brilliant at (uniform clients on all supported platforms is greatly appreciated). The <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> world is more "Beta-quality" feeling to me - is the lesser of evils for those geeky types who can manage its quirky landscape, and still feel like they're having fun.*The devil is in the details* for all these ecosystems: XMPP, <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a>, and Deltachat.If you want something to "just work", I say use <a href="https://autistics.life/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> and refrain from complaining about its centralized nature. At least something "just works" today in this domain (end-to-end encrypted instant messaging, which is also reasonably private), which is reliable and trustworthy *for now*.

Sigurd JakobsenI want a calendar share solution that can work in a calender client app. Don't rule Google out. And can work as a get way drug away from big tech. Here is the solutions I tried but did not fullfill the above. 1/? <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> : Great messaging app. But could only get the calendar function to work in the chats. Can't synchronise with the calendar client apps.<a href="https://radikal.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a>

Delta Chat<a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> evolved according to needs of people under repression and continues to do so. The more ignorant and exchangeable we make <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> relays, the less their operators have to worry. Having metadata-less, fast and cheap instant messaging relays, that can also operate when 99% of the Internet vanishes in a region, is a key goal. Some way to go still but, already now, is there any other real-world solution that provides better service in internet-repressed regions in 2025?

Delta ChatWe used to look closely at <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a> Usability/UX. Not anymore. Meta is enshittifying WA to become a social media app, charging companies for access to followers, showing ads, and pushing AI slop down the throat of billions of people. <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> remains all about pleasing private messaging UX. Resilient, secure and decentralized. Its trivial to get started as a family, group or little org. Its trivial to migrate between android, iphone, desktop, Ubuntu touch.<a href="https://chaos.social/tags/Privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Privacy</a> and <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/RightToExit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RightToExit</a>

oxidandThat's 3 strikes: first "AI" chat, then ads and now they are messing with the private messages. I was still using <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> because of the people who are only there (or even worse messengers, like <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> or Line). WA was a lesser evil. But now WhatsApp no longer meets my minimal criteria for a messenger. WhatsApp has to go, even if it means losing contact with a few people.From now on it's only <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a>, <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>, <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> / <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> and <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> ^^<a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/693310/whatsapp-ai-message-summaries-meta" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.theverge.com/news/693310/whatsapp-ai-message-summaries-meta</a>

adb<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Mastodon</a> I added them to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> btw, the mastodon banging on the computer with "error" on the screen when there is a mastodon error is a low-hanging fruit sticker material was expecting to find it in the pack :D

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@kitkat" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kitkat</a> <a href="https://toot.kif.rocks/@merlin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@merlin</a> <a href="https://fedi.enbyinsi.de/users/maxi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@maxi</a> nope.<ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> hat exzellente <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#E2EE</a> (siehe <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> & <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gajim</a> - da sogar in Gruppenchats!)</li></ul>Gibt nur mit mit <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> nen Kokurrierendes Produkt!

kazéI’m looking for a team chat solution that allows me to *really* mute/block users, like here on Mastodon or with an `/ignore` on IRC.Zulip and Discord don’t really mute/block messages, they only conceal their content and let you know they’re here. This doesn’t help much imho.Is this kind of `/ignore` feature available in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> or <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>? Otherwise, are there Zulip/Discord clients that support it?

Lardier<a href="https://social.heise.de/@ct_Magazin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ct_Magazin</a> Eine besser Empfehlung bezüglich des Datenschutzes kann <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> fast nicht bekommen.

Rapha3l<a href="https://social.heise.de/@ct_Magazin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ct_Magazin</a> Staatliche Reklame für Delta Chat!<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@adfichter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@adfichter</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@martinsteiger" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@martinsteiger</a> <a href="https://lemmy.zip/c/delta_chat" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta_chat</a> <a href="https://social.g2od.ch/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> <a href="https://social.g2od.ch/tags/Russland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Russland</a> <a href="https://social.g2od.ch/tags/eu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#eu</a> <a href="https://merlinux.eu/press/2025-05-14-russia-deltachat.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://merlinux.eu/press/2025-05-14-russia-deltachat.pdf</a><a href="https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix.html</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.heise.de/@ct_Magazin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ct_Magazin</a> Tja, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Russland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Russland</a>.kapiert halt nicht was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a> u.d <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#eMail</a> ist und dass <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> weder Zugriff auf <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nachrichten" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Nachrichten</a> noch <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Schl%C3%BCssel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Schlüssel</a> haben!<ul><li>Wann verbietet <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Roskomnadnozr" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Roskomnadnozr</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@thunderbird</a> ?</li></ul>

Alejandro Baez<a href="https://mastodon.blaede.family/@cassidy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@cassidy</a> have you tried <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a>? Not affiliated, but has serve me pretty well. 😎Uses email as the protocol for communication. And barrier to entry is relatively low. If using what they call a <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> server anyway. 😅<a href="https://delta.chat/en/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://delta.chat/en/</a>

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