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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@khobochka" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>khobochka</span></a></span> guess why I <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/scrapers.ipv4.block.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maintain</a> a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scraper" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scraper</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/blocklist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>blocklist</span></a>?</p><ul><li>In fact I know <em>multiple</em> people and organizations that decide to basically redirect <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ValueRemoving" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ValueRemoving</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scrapers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scrapers</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GPTbot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GPTbot</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a> (which <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5sd3WEh0c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">literally</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DDoS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DDoS</span></a>'d <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MattKC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MattKC</span></a> because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> are a <em>criminally incompetent</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RogueISP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RogueISP</span></a>!) to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Hetzner" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Hetzner</span></a>'s <a href="http://hil-speed.hetzner.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10GB Speedtest file</a> which can be found at <code>http://hil-speed.hetzner.com/10GB.bin</code> as an extra middlefinger!</li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cloudflare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cloudflare</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hetznered" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>hetznered</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteDance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteDance</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ChatGPT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ChatGPT</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://lgbtqia.space/@alice" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>alice</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Funfact" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Funfact</span></a>: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ValueRemoving" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ValueRemoving</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RentSeekers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RentSeekers</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> aren't even good at stoping <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/bots" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bots</span></a> literally <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DDoS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DDoS</span></a>'ing a site offline as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MattKC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MattKC</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5sd3WEh0c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">learned</a>.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cloudflare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cloudflare</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EpicFail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EpicFail</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TikTok" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TikTok</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteDance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteDance</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Crawlers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Crawlers</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DontDoCloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DontDoCloud</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.bloodyno.se/users/lynn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>lynn</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://buff.tomboyfan.club/users/LunaDragofelis" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>LunaDragofelis</span></a></span> also in case anyone needs to be convinced how much of a useless value-remover ClownFlare / CloudFlare are in <em>"preventing DDoS attacks</em>":</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hasthebig.gay/users/MattKC" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>MattKC</span></a></span> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5sd3WEh0c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">had been DDoS'd by ByteDance's Crawler</a> into downtime!</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudFlare</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MattKC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MattKC</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DDoS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DDoS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteDance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteDance</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TikTok" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TikTok</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetworkSecurity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NetworkSecurity</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Hosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Hosting</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>GossiTheDog</span></a></span> Well, they can be forced to if not face <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/accountability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accountability</span></a>, at least take <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/consequences" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>consequences</span></a>.</p><ol><li><p>Violating <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/telco" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>telco</span></a> laws got <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.bund.de/@BNetzA" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>BNetzA</span></a></span> to knock on their door.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DropKiwifarms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DropKiwifarms</span></a> worked as a unified effort</p></li><li><p>Customers yeeting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> did force them to yeet <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KiwiFarms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KiwiFarms</span></a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cloudflare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cloudflare</span></a> has been a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RogueISP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RogueISP</span></a> for over a decade now as they accept gross violations <em>of their own <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ToS</span></a></em> and host <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Daesh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Daesh</span></a> propaganda sites...</p></li><li><p>Pretty shure <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Brazil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Brazil</span></a> will hold CloudFlare contempt and force them to either fire <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Twitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Twitter</span></a> as client or get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/blocked" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>blocked</span></a> as well...</p></li><li><p>CloudFlare will then yeet <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitter</span></a> because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ApartheidEmeralBoy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ApartheidEmeralBoy</span></a> is known to bounce checks and refusing to pay on time, so he doesn't even make this something worth risking.</p></li><li><p>Cloudflare is and will always remain a shitty hoster - period! </p></li><li><p>I still block <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cloudflare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cloudflare</span></a>'s entire <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ASN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ASN</span></a> as a security measure since they shield <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/cybercriminals" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>cybercriminals</span></a>.</p></li><li><p>Their entire <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ValueRemoving" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ValueRemoving</span></a> business is just a form of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/racketeering" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>racketeering</span></a> that should not only not exist, but be illegal to begin with.</p></li><li><p>Every half-decent <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hoster" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>hoster</span></a> offers <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DDoS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DDoS</span></a> protevtion these days eithout ClownFlare.</p></li><li><p>ClownFlare doesn't even prevent DDoS attacks, but lets <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5sd3WEh0c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DDoS their customers</a>!</p></li></ol>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@Cyb3rrunn3r" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Cyb3rrunn3r</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@quincy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>quincy</span></a></span> TBH, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ValueRemoving" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ValueRemoving</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RentSeeker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RentSeeker</span></a> and their use has been inexcuseable even before the whole <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KiwiFarms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KiwiFarms</span></a> shitshow, as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudFlare</span></a> proubly hosts <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Daesh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Daesh</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Propaganda" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Propaganda</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cybercrime" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cybercrime</span></a> sites and refuses to process <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AbuseReports" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseReports</span></a>, to the point they only yeeted KiwiFarms when masses of bigger customers said: <em>"it's us or them"</em> and even <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.bund.de/@BNetzA" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>BNetzA</span></a></span> knocked on their Office doors in Munich...</p><ul><li>Unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Akamai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Akamai</span></a> or other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CDN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CDN</span></a>|s they provide neither convenience nor security, as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MattKC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MattKC</span></a> had been <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DDoS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DDoS</span></a>'d by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteDance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteDance</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Crawler" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Crawler</span></a> known as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5sd3WEh0c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">in spite of ClownFlare being tasked with preventing that shit from happening</a>.</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tech.lgbt/@xogium" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>xogium</span></a></span> this issue of <em>excessive crawlers</em> is sadly nothing new. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hasthebig.gay/users/MattKC" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>MattKC</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MattKC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MattKC</span></a> experienced the same with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a>, the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scraper" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scraper</span></a> used by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TikTok" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TikTok</span></a> which results basically in his site getting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DDoS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DDoS</span></a>'d despite <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> being tasked to prevent it!</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/Hi5sd3WEh0c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">youtu.be/Hi5sd3WEh0c</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>Personally, I've run out of patience and tolerance for such actions by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GAFAMs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GAFAMs</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechBros" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechBros</span></a> and I'm so close to just <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/1bb1f185d8e4451e541d820dde96b19f40c44eae/blocklists.list.tsv#L23" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">blocklist their entire ASN</a> as a matter of principle!</p><ul><li>It's just that I'd likely have to make an entire dedicaded blocklist and toolup some script to pull a BGP feed or rather IP assignments data <a href="https://ipinfo.io/AS32934" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">for their entire ASN</a> and submit these in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/git" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>git</span></a> as branch updates, merge that and block said network in it's entirely <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/milintel.ipv4.block.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">as I did with the DoD networks</a>.</li></ul>
Neil Craig<p>We recently noticed a fair bit of traffic on www.bbc.co.uk &amp; www.bbc.com from a User Agent which identifies itself as "ByteSpider" (&amp; has a @bytedance.com email address).</p><p>Lots of docs on the web state it doesn't obey robots.txt but ByteDance have told us it *does*:</p><p>&gt; *...in the robots.txt files*<br>*&gt; user-agent:Bytespider*<br>*&gt; Disallow:/*</p><p>Thought that might be worth documenting as it might be a recent change &amp; several of us searched but found zero docs from ByteDance</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SEO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SEO</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ByteSpider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ByteSpider</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/RobotsTXT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RobotsTXT</span></a></p>