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Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Sturmflut" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Sturmflut</a> I might be wrong, but I don't think that "threatening to declare <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> stable" makes much of a difference – or even is a reason to throw it out now.Just look at how many changes "stable" file systems btrfs, ext4, xfs et. al. merge each cycle – which is why it's important that they follow the rules and understand the development process. Kent showed to not play by those rules multiple times; so it's better for everyone to throw it out now before it is declared "stable".But whatever, what I think doesn't matter, we'll just have to wait and see what Linus will do.

Sturmflut<a href="https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kernellogger</a> I think Overstreet "threatening" to declare <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> stable in 6.18 raises a lot of questions Torvalds can't/doesn't want to answer in a whim while merging so many other patchsets. Considering he also announced to be traveling a lot next month and maybe having to push back 6.17-rc1, he may simply decide to ignore Overstreet for a full kernel release (like last year with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> 6.13) and deal with it later.(I would.)

Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)A small indicator regarding the uncertain future[1] of <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> in mainline <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> that might or might not mean something:Linus worked through quite a few pull requests with updates for various filesystems[2] and a lot of vfs stuff for <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> 6.17, but for now ignored the one from Kent with the bcachefs updates:<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/22ib5scviwwa7bqeln22w2xm3dlywc4yuactrddhmsntixnghr@wjmmbpxjvipv/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lore.kernel.org/all/22ib5scviwwa7bqeln22w2xm3dlywc4yuactrddhmsntixnghr@wjmmbpxjvipv/</a> (in which Kent announced plans to remove the experimental label for 6.18)[1] <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114753292540598749" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114753292540598749</a>[2] see: <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935468556274069" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935468556274069</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935478348296053" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935478348296053</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935502393834753" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935502393834753</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935514700072722" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hachyderm.io/@kernellogger/114935514700072722</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@andyprice/114936001089496151" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://mastodon.social/@andyprice/114936001089496151</a> <a href="https://git.kernel.org/torvalds/c/f3f5edc5e41e038cf66d124a4cbacf6ff0983513" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://git.kernel.org/torvalds/c/f3f5edc5e41e038cf66d124a4cbacf6ff0983513</a>

It's FOSSBcachefs is set for an exit with Linux 6.17.<a href="https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-kernel-bcachefs-drop/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-kernel-bcachefs-drop/</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a>

Marcel SIneM(S)US<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> :tux: : <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Torvalds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Torvalds</a> erwägt Rauswurf des <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bcachefs</a>-Dateisystems | heise online <a href="https://www.heise.de/news/Linux-Torvalds-erwaegt-Rauswurf-des-Bcachefs-Dateisystems-10461896.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.heise.de/news/Linux-Torvalds-erwaegt-Rauswurf-des-Bcachefs-Dateisystems-10461896.html</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/LinuxKernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxKernel</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Kernel</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/LinusTorvalds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinusTorvalds</a>

Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)Look like <a href="https://social.kernel.org/users/torvalds" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@torvalds</a> might remove <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> from the <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> with version 6.17:<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wi+k8E4kWR8c-nREP0+EA4D+=rz5j0Hdk3N6cWgfE03-Q@mail.gmail.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wi+k8E4kWR8c-nREP0+EA4D+=rz5j0Hdk3N6cWgfE03-Q@mail.gmail.com/</a>'"I have pulled this, but also as per that discussion, I think we'll be parting ways in the 6.17 merge window."'Backstory that triggered this can be found here:<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wi2ae794_MyuW1XJAR64RDkDLUsRHvSemuWAkO6T45=YA@mail.gmail.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wi2ae794_MyuW1XJAR64RDkDLUsRHvSemuWAkO6T45=YA@mail.gmail.com/</a>To quote from there: '"You seem to have forgotten what the point of the merge window was again.We don't start adding new features just because you found other bugs.[…]Make the -rc fixes be pure fixes. Linus"'<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#kernel</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/LinuxKernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxKernel</a>

Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)Highlights from the main <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> merge for <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> 6.16: <a href="https://git.kernel.org/torvalds/c/522544fc71c27b4b432386c7919f71ecc79a3bfb" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://git.kernel.org/torvalds/c/522544fc71c27b4b432386c7919f71ecc79a3bfb</a>- Incompatible features may now be enabled at runtime, via "opts/version_upgrade" in sysfs.- Various changes to support deployable disk images- Major error message improvements for btree node reads, data reads, and elsewhere.- New option, 'rebalance_on_ac_only'.- Repair/self healing: - We can now kick off recovery passes and run them in the background if we detect errors. - Performance: - Faster snapshot deletion - Faster device removal - We're now coalescing redundant accounting updates prior to transaction commit, taking some pressure off the journal. - Stack usage improvements: All allocator state has been moved off the stack<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#kernel</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/LinuxKernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxKernel</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux616" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux616</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Filesystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Filesystem</a>

OSTechNixBcachefs Developer Kent Overstreet Banned From Linux Kernel Development <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bcachefs</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Filesystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Filesystem</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Kernel</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Opensource</a> <a href="https://ostechnix.com/bcachefs-developer-kent-overstreet-banned-from-linux-kernel-development/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ostechnix.com/bcachefs-developer-kent-overstreet-banned-from-linux-kernel-development/</a>

OSTechNixBcachefs Future in Linux Kernel Uncertain After Code of Conduct Dispute <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Kernel</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bcachefs</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Filesystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Filesystem</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Opensource</a> <a href="https://ostechnix.com/bcachefs-future-in-linux-kernel-uncertain-after-code-of-conduct-dispute/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ostechnix.com/bcachefs-future-in-linux-kernel-uncertain-after-code-of-conduct-dispute/</a>

Sebin NyshkimReading these benchmarks makes me regret my choices in file systems 🙃<a href="https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-611-filesystems" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-611-filesystems</a><a href="https://meow.social/tags/btrfs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#btrfs</a> <a href="https://meow.social/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> <a href="https://meow.social/tags/xfs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xfs</a> <a href="https://meow.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://meow.social/tags/filesystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#filesystem</a>

OSTechNixLinus Torvalds Expresses Frustration With Bcachefs Development Process <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bcachefs</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Kernel</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://ostechnix.com/linus-torvalds-expresses-frustration-with-bcachefs-development-process/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ostechnix.com/linus-torvalds-expresses-frustration-with-bcachefs-development-process/</a>

Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)The next instalment of Linus vs. Kent – and Linus seems to be on the edge: "[…] I'm contemplating just removing <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> entirely from the [<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#kernel</a>] mainline tree. Because you show again and again that you have no interest in trying to make mainline work. […]"For the full discussion, start here: <a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/cphtxla2se4gavql3re5xju7mqxld4rp6q4wbqephb6by5ibfa@5myddcaxerpb/t/#m631c24cd07f5820a4cbff8f25dff1d1a0c3cf2e7" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lore.kernel.org/all/cphtxla2se4gavql3re5xju7mqxld4rp6q4wbqephb6by5ibfa@5myddcaxerpb/t/#m631c24cd07f5820a4cbff8f25dff1d1a0c3cf2e7</a> (the quote is from one of the later mails from Linus). <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LinuxKernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxKernel</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.illegalpornography.com/@BestGirlGrace" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@BestGirlGrace</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a>?

Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)2/ In case anyone cares: the "Avoid Debian Stable" thread on <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LKML</a> resurged with three more messages from Kent:<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/2197543.irdbgypaU6@lichtvoll.de/t/#u" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lore.kernel.org/all/2197543.irdbgypaU6@lichtvoll.de/t/#u</a>And FWIW in case you missed it: Jonathan Carter recently orphaned <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a>-tools in <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Debian</a>: <a href="https://jonathancarter.org/2024/08/29/orphaning-bcachefs-tools-in-debian/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://jonathancarter.org/2024/08/29/orphaning-bcachefs-tools-in-debian/</a>

OSTechNixDebian Developer Orphans Bcachefs-Tools Package Due to Upstream Conflicts <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Debian</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bcachefs</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Filesystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Filesystem</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Rust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Rust</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://ostechnix.com/debian-orphans-bcachefs-tools/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ostechnix.com/debian-orphans-bcachefs-tools/</a>

Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)Linus is fed up with the <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> pull requests from Kent:"'The bcachefs patches have become these kinds of "lots of development during the release cycles rather than before it", to the point where I'm starting to regret merging bcachefs.If bcachefs can't work sanely within the normal upstream kernel release schedule, maybe it shouldn't *be* in the normal upstream kernel.This is getting beyond ridiculous. Linus'"<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-%3Dwj1Oo9-g-yuwWuHQZU8v%3DVAsBceWCRLhWxy7_-QnSa1Ng@mail.gmail.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-%3Dwj1Oo9-g-yuwWuHQZU8v%3DVAsBceWCRLhWxy7_-QnSa1Ng@mail.gmail.com/</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LinuxKernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxKernel</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/kernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#kernel</a>

AnthropyI (and 2 LLMs) made a smol script thingy that helps formatting a multi-device <a href="https://mastodon.derg.nz/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> setup:<a href="https://git.dragonhive.net/DragonHive/WyvernWorks/small-management-tools/-/blob/main/filesystems/bcachefs-multidevice-builder.py?ref_type=heads" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://git.dragonhive.net/DragonHive/WyvernWorks/small-management-tools/-/blob/main/filesystems/bcachefs-multidevice-builder.py?ref_type=heads</a>- auto suggests unmounted HDDs for background and SSDs for foreground layer storage - generates a report with the input/output and the configuration of the disks for later referenceasks - if you want to enable encryption - if you want to enable erasure coding (like raid5/6) - if you want a filesystem label - how many (meta)data replicas you want

Scripter :verified_flashing:Linux 6.7 🐧 bringt bcachefs - heise online <a href="https://heise.de/-9591340" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://heise.de/-9591340</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/LinuxKernel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxKernel</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Dateisystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Dateisystem</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a>

Jacob Henner :verified:Very excited to give <a href="https://socialcoders.org/tags/bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#bcachefs</a> a try

Maxi 11x 💉<a href="https://chaos.social/tags/btrfs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#btrfs</a>: Ich kann nur allen raten, mehrmals im Jahr auf Systempartitionen ein Balance durchzuführen. Ich vergesse das immer und laufe dann alle zwei Jahre in unlösbare "No Space left on Device"-Probleme. Das Einfachste ist dann, den ganzen Krempel auf ne Backupplatte zu rsyncen und auf ein frisches FS zurück. Ich hab hier nur moderate Desktopnutzung und dass es selbst mir damit alle Nase lang passiert, ist ein absolutes Armutszeugnis. Her mit <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/Bcachefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bcachefs</a>!

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